Trump’s eyes radical choice for the Census Bureau

Anybody still feel like not voting for Clinton was a good idea?

Yes, all Republicans.

Brunell, a political science professor, has testified more than half a dozen times on behalf of Republican efforts to redraw congressional districts, and is the author of a 2008 book titled “Redistricting and Representation: Why Competitive Elections Are Bad for America.”

Jesus fucking shitchrist. He's going to try to gerrymander himself into eternal power, and the establishment GOP will be with him on this.

Yes, because Saint Hillary would NEVER do anything untoward with her appointments.

You still feel like hitching yourself to her wagon was a smart idea?

How anyone who sees the destruction of American institutions day by day could say with a straight face that what they are seeing is OK...is beyond me.
That somehow what we are seeing, just look up and down at the post here..the SCOTUS , Net neutrality, permanent gerrymandering, the wrecking of our healthcare system and on and on..this is better than having another 3rd way Democrat...is foolish and reminds me of the Trump people, more and more.

Trump voter: If Jesus Christ told me Trump colluded with Russia, I’d check with Trump

you are so set in your distrust of Clinton this is OK with you...wow. not much difference between you and the man who doesn't believe Jesus. Just think only 3 more years to go.

I never said it was ok, that's you putting words in my mouth.

What I'm tired of, is you screeching rats claiming that your precious Hillary Clinton wouldn't do this stuff, when she very much would have.

Her own voting record should tell you as much.

She is not precious and you are brainwashed. There has never been a president like Trump. No Clinton was not what I wanted but to put her and Trump in the same sentence is foolish.
To put Nixon and Trump in the same sentence is an insult to Nixon...are you blind?

And if you are not OK with this you have to see the only other option was Clinton so...

Does your reading comprehension just dissolve the second Trump or Clinton are mentioned in the same context?

She lost because she was completely unelectable. She was completely unelectable because of her history. Deal with it.

She was unelectable but Trump was an all American hero...God how did your mind get so screwed up.
The only reason she was unelectable was years of brainwashing that seams to have an effect on you....and the entire world is dealing with it thanks to you and those like you

Yes, because I spent my entire adult life watching Hillary Clinton lie, cheat and steal her way to the top, I'm automatically snowed by the reality show star who's hair looks like cotton candy made out of piss.

But I'm the one who's "brainwashed" after all, so I'm sure you'll just chock this sentiment up to my "fascist conditioning."

It was a binary choice ..you made yours.

Yes, by not voting for either of them.

But since Hillary has turned you into the same kind of dogmatic cretin you claim to be the complete opposite of, people voting their conscience is considered the same as voting for your perceived enemy.

I didn't choose the oligarch Trump, but never in a million fucking years will I support the oligarch Clinton either.

Your side really needs to figure that little fact of life out, or you're going to be eating a lot more of Trump's shit for the next SEVEN years.

"not voting for either of them".

You abdicated your vote.

"Your side really needs to figure that little fact of life out,"

Says the guy who threw his vote away and allowed trump to win. says the guy who don't trust Bernie who has almost single singelhandedly remade the Democratic party...I think I have figured out you want to be the victim...easy just keep doing nothing don't vote..that victimhood will come. you world will fall apart then you and Trump can blame Clinton.

If you really think Bernie's remade the party, then you are truly fucked.

You're no different than the most fervent Trump zealot.

It is a work in progress.

Bernie Sanders Loyalists Are Taking Over the Democratic Party One County Office at a Time
In fight to define party in age of Donald Trump, Sanders followers want to transform it from the bottom up by taking control of low-level state and county posts

Stay tuned until after 2018.

"You're no different than the most fervent Trump zealot"


You don't even have the balls to say who you support. Why don't you do what you did in the election just shut up and get out of the way.. You were no help then and you are no help now.

And if you want to take over the party here is when you do it....

The dates for state primaries are listed below, sorted by state and by date. These primaries are used by political parties to determine candidates who will run for all partisan offices in their states on the general election ballot on November 6, 2018. These include legislative seats (in 46 states) along with U.S. senators and representatives, governor and statewide officials.

This is the classic definition of can’t see the forest for the trees.
If the democrats ran someone the rust belt didn’t loathe (with good reason. Clinton policies did not leave them well off) trump would not have had a chance in hell.

All they needed to do was run someone semi-palatable.

Bernie had no business doing as well as he did in a serious primary.

I myself have expressed distaste for the idea of tactical voting. The idea that you should rush to meet in the wonderful middle, instead of pushing where the middle is.

To be fair, you have made the argument that the pushing should be done during the rest of the year and at the local level. Which i agree with.

One reason Hillary lost was because a lot of people were convinced to sit out the election. You like to hammer the point home by telling people they fucked up for not picking the lesser evil. Ussmak has their own rational for sitting out. Abstaining, silence, is a valid response.

To be fair though, the russians did use bots and paid trolls to suppress democrats from voting. Using social media to keep demonizing the Clintons. By making it feel as if a vote for Hilary was just as terrible as a vote for Trump. Just enough to sap the desire for someone to head to the polls, for what a lot of people assumed was a slam dunk for Hilary.

Your target audience, honestly, is on facebook.

"Abstaining, silence, is a valid response."

No it is stupid and lazy. there seems to be a disconnect here...Donald Trump is a Fascist Nazi and people act like it is OK to accept him and No big deal that he got elected....I'm not going to try and defend Clinton other than to say she is light years better than Trump for the country....Which is the bone I have to pick with the 'Progresives" here.

The feeling is palpable...it has caused some people to have to see a doctor over depression it has caused. You can't watch TV without hearing about what thing he has done today. Somebody counted and has attributed 19 provable lies a day average. His own staff has called him a fucking moron, childlike and stupid.

He has endanger people lives by trying to take healthcare, threatens to ship back the dreamer kids to a place they have never known on their own, has made the US a laughing stock around the world...and mad me listen to that sick love song from the thug in the Philippines...ohh that hurt.....

And to say that Clinton Administration would be anything like that is beyond naive.
Trump is a wrecking ball that is going to kill people long after he is gone and it could have been prevented.

Facebook..not a member have desire to be.
"Facebook quietly admits to as many as 270 million fake or clone accounts"
Its bad enough talking with numbers...just imagine if he was just an algorithm.

Oh with hindsight of course. I imagine there are droves who wish they turned out or voted different. That does fuck all since we can't time travel. You can live life looking to sell out in hope of either coming out ahead or avoiding a potential horrible fate. But in that case i have a republican tax plan to sell you. The 1% pwomise to trickle down on us.

Nobody expected the extent of this shitshow. The straight up rank incompetence, or intentional sabotage of the federal government. Nobody is happy with the current state of events except the Russians. Even the well to do are silently freaking out if the tax plan will precipiate an abrupt move to new zealand due to incoming molotovs.

Trump is here because the GOP told their members to hold their nose, lie back, and think of sweet eight pound six ounce baby jesus. Roy Moore if he squeeks by will owe that victory to the same sentiment. Those voters are balls to bone certain that to do otherwise is to open that final seal of the apocalypse. They will suck satans cock to reanimate jimmy savile to run against a democrat if it would mean one more vote.

The democrats are not there yet, and i think the perennial invocation of slippery slope is bullshit. But im not going to go chicken little and back someone i think is horrible because thats what the "team" wants.

I did vote for hilary though. She's a bad bitch, and maybe its the virtue of being a new yorker that meant i knew trump was at best a shitty used tire salesman, at worst a conman. I don't begrudge people who didn't though, i just wish we resolved some of the serious underlying problems that made this presidency possible,

"Oh with hindsight of course"

I was screaming my head off. If you didn't know it was because you didn't want to know.

Bernie Sanders: Think Hard About A Protest Vote This Year

quote [ Former 2016 presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders, joins Morning Joe to caution people about casting a protest vote this year.

This was the sort of response.

.

Choosing the lesser evil sacrifices your ideals and sabotages your future behavior.

http://sensibleendowment.com/entry.php/6072

I wasn't the only one warning

anepride said[1] @ 10:37am on 17th Sep [Score:0 Underrated] - mod/reply
So why sacrifice the here and now in order to save the future? If I'm focused on Trump it's because he's an imminent threat.

steele[c] said @ 11:30am on 17th Sep [Score:3 Underrated] - mod/reply
Fuck. You.

Just a few days ago y'all are giving me lectures about the greater good.

Yes we FUCKING WERE!!

How the Trump Organization's Foreign Business Ties Could Upend U.S. National Security


Vote for the Lying Neoliberal Warmonger: It’s Important

"Trump is here because the GOP told their members to hold their nose, lie back, and think of sweet eight pound six ounce baby jesus."

No there were a bunch of Never Trump Republicans He is as much a problem to their way of life as ours.

List of Republicans who opposed the Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016

Trump won for several reasons..1st and foremost Clinton ran a terrible campaine

2nd Trump (mostly Bannon) ran a phony populist campaine in the upper Midwest

3rd and probably determintive was the James Comey presser 10 days before the election because it reinforced the campaine ran by Russia.

EVERBODY who was watching knew what trump was...

"EVERBODY who was watching knew what trump was..."

A catspaw for Putin? The GOP figured they could use him, even if they didn't like him as their first choice. The democratic party considered him a joke, who at worst would just rubber stamp shitty regressive policies. The rightwing political shift is not a shocker. Its distasteful and problematic but it pales to the actual credible existential threat. Now we're always hovering at 4 seconds on the doomsday clock, and every other day we wonder if theres going to be a constitutional crisis. I'm sure before the election you'd have people screaming the end is nigh, but that chorus was wearing both red and blue.

By all means though, keep trying your particular flavor of voter outreach. Its just that i don't think its effective in changing minds or behavior. Great way at working out frustration though.

(Sorry this wasn't meant for you. got confused on who I was talking to)
Its valid so I will leave it.

By all means though, keep trying your particular flavor of voter outreach

Its not outreach, it is wake the fuck up and realize how your self centered ego driven agenda has hurt everything you say that you want for and from the government. I have no more hope of convincing any of you than convincing the Trump faithful. I'm am just sick of you pious preaching when you have no clue how any of this works.

And to have you say

Bernie sold us out.

I could really give a fuck who he supports now.

Just pissed me off and made me realize just how clueless you are...do you know somebody like him comes along once in a life time...the last one was Bobby Kennedy and they killed him. Bernie has gotten closer and has done more good than any politician you could name...and just for reference you..specifically you are the one who sold out...People die for the right you threw away...and Bernie is a national hero...I generally don't talk to people who didn't vote...so have the last word be my guest.

Yeah i concur with the meat of the later portion of this.

Now an answer to your statement...first you say nobody saw this coming and now I am carrying a sign saying the end is near,. which is it blind or stupid?

Some of the things I said before the election.

Trump is a different kind of cat
What is at stake in this is the justice system.
No one with his mental illness should be allowed near nuclear weapons
Trump is a Clinical narcissist

I'm not trying to change hearts and minds here, just trying to correct the record

If you legit said "This guy is more than just an empty suit, but part of an effort by a foreign power to destabilize the government and the nation" or something to that effect with pertinent info then yeah your right. Because otherwise, and as far as i saw, it comes off as a bit of the same kind of hyperbole that was slung at Hillary. Which means its taken with a grain of salt.

No, I saw him as a bumbling buffoon with a severe mental disability. With business ties that were going to be a big problem. But I did not see the entanglements with Russia.

A Trump presidency was going to be bad for democrats. A Hilary presidency was going to be bad for republicans. Accusations of personal enrichment i think were valid for both candidates. From my own perspective a Democrat win was important because I knew the republican agenda would endanger friends and family at worst, complicate their lives at best. But i think in light of the mueller investigation and everything else thats come out after the election its obvious that this president is an existential crisis for the nation, in a way that can't be dismissed as just tribal party affiliation.

The only real thing i disagree with you is the stridency with which you present, because it becomes almost second nature then to dismiss. There is no shortage of people on youtube staring into webcams starting off with "America needs to wake up!". It becomes something you tune out. Its like hearing someone yell "My friend!" and then trundle up with a massive wheeled luggage stuffed with counterfeit/third-shift kangol hats and puffy north face jackets. You mentally hit auto ignore.

Oh There is Trump Travesty fatigue, no doubt about that. Funny I remember the big scandal of the early Obama administration was that got a hot dog and had the audacity to ask for brown mustard...showing his true Grey Poupon eliteness.

But we can't become numb to it. The shit smell is everywhere we can't go noseblind. This is a shitshow and the entire country is at stake...Sorry If I am the one pushing the honey wagon...but I kinda feel like I have to.