Friday, 16 June 2017

I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

quote [ “I’m growing increasingly concerned that the president will attempt to fire not only Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating possible obstruction of justice, but also Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein who appointed Mueller,"

Sen. Dianne Feinstein ]

I wasn't convinced that there was fire under all this smoke...I am now.

To fire Robert Mueller Trump would either have to fire Rod Rosenstein or change the law...either of which he can do.

So, Will President* Trump Just Fire Everyone?

Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller are under threat.

The surrogates are already floating the idea.

Roger Stone: Trump should fire Robert Mueller, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein

And even doing something as serious as this manages to shoot him self in the foot and admit he is under investigation...
[SFW] [politics]
[by bbqkink@9:10pmGMT]


cb361 said @ 11:19pm GMT on 16th Jun
And to think I was worried that the Trump presidency was going to be boring, or perhaps it would take a few seasons to warm up.
midden said @ 12:02am GMT on 17th Jun
"or change the law...either of which he can do." I'm not sure what you mean. He can certainly keep firing people all the way down the chain of command, but how can he single handedly change the law about who has the power to fire Mueller?
bbqkink said[1] @ 1:44am GMT on 17th Jun
"The law" is by presidential order. he can change it he likes. Only trouble that looks even more "suspicious" than firing people until he gets one he likes. Either way if this is his plan he is betting for cover from the House Republicans...this is way beyond the Saturday Night Massacre .

But your guess is a good as mine trying to figure out what he does next. If he is innocent of collusion and money laundering he is the absolute dumbest man to ever sit behind that desk, because the case for obstruction is prima facie even from what we have seen in the papers. If he is innocent if gives new meaning to the story about the cover up and the crime.
bbqkink said[1] @ 4:05am GMT on 17th Jun
Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks so...
If the President Is Innocent, Then He Is Insane
sanepride said @ 12:14am GMT on 17th Jun
Of course he can fire Mueller and/or Rosenstein anytime he feels like it. Right now I'd put the odds of either at around 50%. It would be like a huge declaration of guilt but if anyone can get away with it...
One thing for sure, it'd be a hell of a test of how loyal Congressional Republicans are to him. No doubt his devoted base would be OK with it.
bbqkink said[1] @ 1:52am GMT on 17th Jun
He can't fire Mueller unless he changes the law.

"Only the deputy attorney general who appointed Mueller can fire him and only for cause. But Trump could fire the DAG, or order the special-counsel regulations repealed and fire Mueller himself."

The other weird thing is the DAG could have to recuse himself...moving the decision to the next in line...not sure of her name but she is a carer justice person. The right leaning news outlets are getting all excited about this Briebart has the story on the front page.
sanepride said @ 2:55am GMT on 17th Jun
He can't fire Mueller directly, but it can be done.
bbqkink said[1] @ 3:05am GMT on 17th Jun
Making the "Saturday Night Massacre" look tame in comparison. he would be betting the farm on the House GOP pulling his fat out of the fire...only to put it into the hands of the voters in 18...of course he is not known for well thought out plans.
sanepride said @ 3:34am GMT on 17th Jun
And yet look at what he's gotten away with so far. If he pulled this trigger I predict there will be plenty of noise but little action from the GOP. His fans will cheer. 'He's draining the swamp! He's running the country like a business!'. We already know rules don't apply to Trump, and it's looking like laws may not either.
bbqkink said @ 4:08am GMT on 17th Jun
There is some evidence that even his base support is failing a little at least...but that means you have to believe polling...last time I did that... well Steele is still goading me about it.
sanepride said @ 4:02am GMT on 17th Jun
Rachel Brand- She's not career DOJ, she worked for the Chamber of Commerce before being appointed and confirmed by a party-line vote as DOJ #3. I can see why Brietbart etc. likes her, she has impeccable conservative credentials.
bbqkink said @ 4:06am GMT on 17th Jun
Well all bets are off then...he may do this.
sanepride said @ 4:40pm GMT on 17th Jun
The strategy (if there is one) is probably to attack Rosenstein to try to force him into recusal. I'd expect to see top Republicans calling for this. It's a tidy solution, Trump doesn't necessarily need to fire anyone and he ends up with a potentially friendly deputy AG in charge of the investigation.
rylex said @ 2:05am GMT on 17th Jun
anyone feel like Trump got setup in this?

bbqkink said @ 2:07am GMT on 17th Jun
rylex said @ 2:18am GMT on 17th Jun
Rosenstein suggested Trump fire Comey because he knew it would provide ammo for impeachment/investigation.

Trump fell for it and fired Comey
bbqkink said[1] @ 2:33am GMT on 17th Jun
Well to buy that you would have to believe that Rosenstein suggested Trump fire Comey. Not only that you would have to believe that Trump fired Comey because of the way he treated Clinton....and that doesn't pass the smell test.
sanepride said @ 2:52am GMT on 17th Jun
It was Rosenstein who got set up by Trump. He almost quit over this. Trump admitted he'd wanted to fire Comey for weeks.
tigsnort said @ 12:35am GMT on 18th Jun
See the Trump interview with Lester Holt. Trump said that he had made the decision to fire well before Rosenstein's letter, and admittied that the primary reason for his decision was the Russia investigation which he saw as a "hoax". Rosenstein's letter was merely a formality designed to prop up Trump's decision.
bbqkink said @ 2:07am GMT on 17th Jun
bbqkink said @ 2:41am GMT on 17th Jun
And for those still trying to follow politics in the midst of this mess.

We asked 8 Senate Republicans to explain what their health bill is trying to do

bbqkink said @ 2:54am GMT on 17th Jun [Score:1 Interesting]
The assertion that Democrats aren’t “willing to help,” however, is facing an interesting new test. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) sent a notable letter to McConnell yesterday, inviting him and his caucus to start a real dialog on health care:

“On behalf of my caucus, I write to invite you and the Republican Conference to an All-Senators meeting next week on the topic of health care. Now, more than ever, Republicans and Democrats need to come together to find solutions to America’s challenges.

“Our health care system affects every single American and one-sixth of our economy. We believe we all owe it to our constituents to meet to discuss your potential legislation that would profoundly impact so many American lives.

“The U.S. Senate has long been considered the world’s greatest deliberative body and, as members of that body, we should each support open and robust debate. That is why we are dismayed at the reports that there will be no public hearings on your proposed changes to the American health care system.

“Please accept our invitation to sit down together in the old Senate Chamber so we can hear your plans and discuss how to make health care more affordable and accessible in the United States.”

Schumer calls Senate Republicans’ bluff on health care gambit
bbqkink said[1] @ 4:20am GMT on 17th Jun
BREAKING: Sandoval vetoes Medicaid for all.

Gov. Brian Sandoval has vetoed a bill that would have created a health care plan open to residents who don't qualify for Medicaid in Nevada.

Assembly Bill 374 would have directed the Department of Health and Human Services to create a health plan similar to Medicaid, with residents able to buy into it through the Silver State Health Insurance Exchange.

Sandoval called the bill a "novel idea" in his veto message, saying its concepts will likely play a role in the future of health care policy.

He continued that AB 374 "raises more questions than it answers" and adds more uncertainty to the health insurance industry.

Assemblyman Mike Sprinkle, who introduced AB 374, said in a statement that he is disappointed with the governor's decision.

"Healthcare is a right, not a privilege or a product," Sprinkle said. "With this veto, Governor Sandoval has actively decided to veto a right that all Nevadans should have."
bbqkink said @ 4:43am GMT on 17th Jun
bbqkink said @ 4:31am GMT on 17th Jun
ComposerNate said @ 10:28am GMT on 17th Jun
This needs to end Republicanism.
HoZay said @ 2:16pm GMT on 17th Jun
This is what republicans are now, and they're OK with that.
youchoose said[2] @ 10:27pm GMT on 17th Jun
As far as i'm concerned the majority of our current government is corrupt/dishonest in some way. I don't believe a word they say any more than i believe what is being pandered as news these days.

Edit: Changed every single one of to majority of. I recognize there is probably a handful that don't fit the bill.
bbqkink said @ 10:55pm GMT on 17th Jun
Everybody hates me I'm just going to eat worms...
youchoose said @ 11:30pm GMT on 17th Jun
Was this meant as a reply to a different comment? If not i have no idea of your meaning in relation to my comment.
bbqkink said @ 12:19am GMT on 18th Jun
This is pointing out you sound like a little spoiled child just take your ball and go home. The world isn't to my liking so I quit.
youchoose said[1] @ 12:36am GMT on 18th Jun
Pointing out that I think that there is a large amount of corruption in government sounds like a child? You better go check your comment history. I very rarely comment to this nature. You seem to whine about things left and right then just downmod everyone whom you disagree with without commenting why or having a conversation.
bbqkink said[1] @ 1:34am GMT on 18th Jun
The government is corrupt, the news media lies to me...ya sounds a little childish. I hardly ever down mod..I didn't down mod you. And I have probably more comments this week than most have in a month and the only reason I come here is to have a conversation....but the world has been mean to me...oh there is just nothing we can spoiled and self defeating...and has no historical perspective.

There is more information available now than in any time in history, you juts have to sort out the bullshit. and our government can be changed without lose of life...pretty good if you look at any historical reference.
youchoose said[1] @ 1:49am GMT on 18th Jun
Thats just it. I never said anywhere that the world has been mean to me or theirs nothing we can do... prettry straightforward and generally agreed with statement that government officials and media lie. And you just agreed with me... you have to sort out the bullshit- theres a lot of bullshit. I did not say anywhere nor insinuate that anything couldn't be changed. You just jumped off the deep end right off the bat. Can you point out anywhere that i've said things can't be changed? .wtf.
bbqkink said @ 2:44am GMT on 18th Jun
Point of view....either you part of the problem or part of the solution. Everything sucks...well no it don' could be better could be a lot worse. But unless you are putting on foot in front of the other, just keep stumbling in the right direction you have given up and you are just dead weight.

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