Wednesday, 23 October 2019

People I Want to Punch in the Throat: Why My Children Have No Right to Privacy

quote [ My friend Kim at Let Me Start By Saying wrote an essay that was featured on the Huffington Post. It was about reading her five-year-old daughter's diary. Kim knew her daughter had been writing in her diary and Kim wondered what was going on in her daughter's head. She took the key and opened the book. [...]Now, it's known that the Huffington Post has some of the meanest, angriest, trolliest commenters around. I always imagine many of them living in vans down by the river or licking Cheetos residue from their fingers while typing their raging opus in their mother's dark basements. Well, Kim struck a nerve with her post and got those vans and basements rattling with anger. ]

I'd also like to note that only ONE of us lived in a van. No word on if he eats cheetos.

I found this while trying to figure out parents' rules about guns in the house. I can predict the majority SE opinion on this, but I'm curious about everyone's reasoning for coming to whichever conclusion they did.
[SFW] [Big Brother] [+5 WTF]
[by snowfox@10:09amGMT]

Comments

throatstabber said @ 8:44pm GMT on 23rd Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
This is just going to make it way harder for her to get any useful information out of her kids. Obviously not going to write sensitive info in a journal they know she reads. The thing about invading peoples privacy is that it's way more effective if they're unaware it's happening.
eggboy said @ 10:07am GMT on 25th Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
"You know why not? Because kids lie. All the time."

Of course they fucking do if they have to to survive in a household like this. They don't necessarily if they are trusted, accepted, and allowed to make mistakes. She's raising kids that are going to have the paranoid unhealthy coping mechanisms to survive in her household, which will be very very counterproductive in the outside world.

As a former kid with decentish parents, nah, kids don't lie, unless they have to
snowfox said @ 12:36am GMT on 26th Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
My argument against this is that it teaches kids to accept blind authoritarianism and a police state where the 4th amendment means nothing. Childhood is practice for the sort of adult you're going to become. Oppressed children are set up to be oppressed adults.

All that aside, if you can't do right without thinking anyone is watching or that anyone will know... you're fucked up.
Paracetamol said @ 8:14pm GMT on 26th Oct
Would agree with this trust matter. If check on everything kids do, they know and will be less confident and self-reliant when encountering situations whitout anybodies guidance – and more likely to shut themselves off when you might really want to know what's going on.

As she states herself, kids are good at manging relationships, subconcious or not. As far as I know, concious lying starts around 18 months or something, around the same time humans grasp their identity.

I once read an article about a family with 4 or 5 kids and their mechanisms on coping with their mothers' early death. One of them would get to read the mothers' diaries, burning them afterwards – without the siblings or the father learning about it themselves. In my opinion, this is what makes a mature relationhip between family members.
Paracetamol said @ 8:24pm GMT on 26th Oct
Also, not clever to make claims on how to raise teenagers before you actually have teen kids.
ubie said @ 10:56am GMT on 23rd Oct
Yup, this lady is pretty fucking horrifying and looking to create a basement dwelling serial killer.
Dienes said @ 12:55pm GMT on 23rd Oct
Enjoy posting on the estranged parent forums a decade from now, I guess.
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:21pm GMT on 23rd Oct
Cody lived in a van and he was cool.
the circus said[1] @ 1:34pm GMT on 23rd Oct
All well and good for a truly reasonable parent. But in truth, most people aren't that reasonable but still consider themselves paragons of reason. I'm thinking of all the dogmatically religious households and the children trying to survive to adulthood who happen to be gay or want to engage with the world in a non flat earth and creationist manner.

Also, what's the next step up from helicopter parent? Steamroller parent?
TM said @ 4:15pm GMT on 23rd Oct [Score:3 Insightful]
Close. I used to work at a college, and the Dean of Students warned us that the appropriate metaphor was 'snowplow parent.' Because "they're going to push through whatever stands in their way, and the piles of stuff they leave behind will make things harder for everyone else."
rndmnmbr said @ 2:11pm GMT on 23rd Oct
I would like to say parents have a duty to raise sane, stable, well-adjusted adults, and a reasonable amount of intrusive behavior is necessary to get the job done. But frankly, kids turn into sane, stable, well-adjusted adults in spite of the way they're raised.
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 7:34pm GMT on 23rd Oct
while the kid is under 18, it is not unheard of for the parent to be held accountable in court for the child's actions. So some degree of 'invest in the future', and some 'Cover your own ass.'

Not a prime example of a good childhood, but I had no privacy - it was made clear my usage of doors was entirely at the grace of the Homeowner...and if I wanted such rights, I should become a Homeowner myself. So maybe add a dash of 'move out as soon as you can.'
zarathustra said @ 7:52am GMT on 1st Nov [Score:2]
When your parents come to visit make them sleep in separate rooms.
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 9:54pm GMT on 4th Nov
They've visited me 3 times in 15 years, so I assume my house rules were clearly offensive in some way.
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:19pm GMT on 5th Nov
Maybe they just don't like you.
ooo[......7 said @ 5:56pm GMT on 23rd Oct
"betraying our precious snowflake's trust"

I'm done reading.
snowfox said @ 6:19pm GMT on 23rd Oct
Well, her site is called People I Want to Punch in the Throat and her name is right there at the top. I can only assume it's the start of the list.
ethanos said @ 2:10pm GMT on 31st Oct
My parents had very little interest in what I did and look how good I turned out.

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