This is one month after this meeting.

Nothing is ever the smoking gun I want it to be.

I have a feeling there will be others.

I'd said Trump will end his administration in a bunker with his new wife, dog, cyanide and handgun.

Trump supporters three days ago: "There's no evidence of collusion with Russia!!" FAKE NEWS!!111!!

Trump supporters today: "Who cares if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia? We need them as an ally and not an enemy!"

####'s today: "I was not caring about collusion with the Russians BEFORE it was cool."

Exactly. Anything that makes Trump, or any republican, look bad is a lie. And when it's proven to be true, it doesn't really make them look bad, anyway. It was a good thing all along.

Cruse is such a multi-tasker.. sucking all those dicks, kissing all those asses and spewing all this bullshit.

fuck... I double posted.
ow I actually have to say something as I don't know how to delete this.

“Actually, if you look on substance, part of the irony of this media obsession with Russia, is that the Obama administration began with Hillary Clinton bringing a big red reset button to Russia, saying they were going to reset the relationship with Russia, so she and Obama were going to be friends with the Russians,” Cruz insisted. “That’s how they began.”

Does Cruz know what irony is?

It depends on what the meaning of collusion is.
"Collusion is not a crime."

The conservative GOP has common values and shares ideology with putin and russia. Nationalism, white supremacy, limited immigration, no immigration from islamic nations, government graft, BigOil and Gas, christianity, and strict moral values - which means, as we know, LGBT are marginalized and punished. They see an authoritarian dictatorship as desirable. In short, anything other than liberalism, and don't see it as collusion if both parties share the same goal. It's simply working together to achieve the world they want. Besides, they asked publicly. As long as national security hasn't been compromised, they don't see it as a crime. They don't see it as an invasion of US democracy. They actually see it as a way to show the american people how horrible and corrupt clinton and liberals are, naturally, since most forums I read suggest the content of the emails is worse than the fact that they worked with another country to get them. Ignoring the fact that they are just as corrupt.

We're all going to hell.

Look me up, I'll buy you a Jägermeister (I presume that's what they serve in hell).

Jager on its own is quite good, especially after a hefty feed of pork knuckle and cabbage. It makes complete sense in that setting. However, there is a special ring of hell reserved for Jagermeister and Red Bull. That particular abomination should be renamed 'The Civil Disturbance'.

Appalling.

If there's pork in hell, it won't be too big of an adjustment.

Loved it before I was of legal drinking age. Got sick after a shot of it on my 21st and can't stand it ever since.

The pathetic thing is that his defense is that he didn't actually end up with the dirt on Clinton that he was interested in. Like firing into a crowd was ok because your bullets missed!

So you are willing to accept the third version of the meeting as fact?

My comment is about his (and huckabee-something's) reaction to what is currently being reported.

Well that makes sense coming from him...

Now can we impeach him? I mean come on, I didn't like Clinton but they were trying to empeach him over lies about an extramarital blow job.

Ideally I want him impeached at a state where Mike Pence gets the least amount of time to be competently evil.

I don't like Trump but he's awkward and ineffective. I think Mike Pense would tie the party line just enough to get a lot done actually... and I wouldn't want to see him reelected either.

My best guess is the Muller Investigation won't be done for at least 6 months more likely a year.

Special Counsel Mueller Lets His Actions Do The Talking: 15 Hires, More to Come

But first the case has to be made publicly

Senate Intelligence Committee to begin interviews of Trump campaign officials this week

No need to wait on Muller to start removing white house access/security clearances from pretty much all Trump family.

The President can give anybody clearance. But it is time to force him to do just that.

Then after the investigation it will be another year of hearings, discussions, and arguments over definitions and intent. Criminality etc. Meanwhile, the GOP will destroy the environment and legislate cultural change for a long while. It already has. That is where the real battles are for the future of the USA along with education. But that battle is already being lost as something like 60% of republicans think higher education is damaging to the republic.

The Trump machine is way too good at weaseling out of taking any responsibility for its actions. I think Muller wants to have a case so overwhelmingly damning that there's no possible way to evade the consequences. That's going to take some time to build.

Those 15 look like top prosecutors, not investigators, which is very promising

Somebody is going to court.

I believe Don Jr has shit the bed.

Not sure how this (without anything futher) is a smoking gun against trump sr. Nothing yet has been shown that he knew about it. He probably did, but nothing proving it yet so i wouldn't hold your breath. Edit: And theres nothing in those emails that show he got the information. Once again, they probably did but prove it.

This does not connect Trump "Directly" to the Russian Government. It does DIRECTLY connect his 3 top campaine operatives, the campaine manager, His son, and His Son-in-law and top Whitehouse advisor.


And remember this was in early June...not the only contact the campaine had or lied about having. This is all coming down to Flynn. What we found out today was that the Trump campaine would not only like very much the evidence provided by a foreign government...they would love it.

Is it fair to start yelling lock him up every time we see Jarrod yet? It is at least fair to say yank his clearance.

The Least the GOP Can Do Now Is Demand the Firing of Jared Kushner

I'll take the emails at face value, as I do really think the Trump team were naive enough that offered a meeting with a Russian lawyer claiming to have evidence that Russian nationals were funding Hillary's campaign they would have jumped at the chance.

What this story doesn't support is the idea that Trump's campaign were fully aware of Russian government involvement in trying to sabotage the Clinton campaign. If anything it rather suggests they were in the dark about it.

(my [tenuous I admit] logic is if they knew, they would also know that the idea of Russian nationals supporting Hillary was ridiculous, so they would have seen no need to bother meeting with the lawyer)

"What this story doesn't support is the idea that Trump's campaign were fully aware of Russian government involvement in trying to sabotage the Clinton campaign".

Just the opposite it was dropped in the e-mail as common knowledge ...and there was no suprise from Jr...."If it is what you say, I'd Love it"
No... "What do you mean the Russian Government is helping"...Just I'd love it.

Donald Trump Jr. releases email chain on his Russian meeting

Unfortunately, I doubt Trump has the ability to focus enough read and write email. Most communication between him and his henchmen is probably verbal, thus unintentionally leaving little evidence.

"Ever since the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump's team has adamantly denied collusion with the Russians. But as more information about Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya surfaces, the denials seem more and more questionable"

NOW PLAYING
17 Times Trump Officials Denied Contact With The Russians

Again, taking the story at face value, Trump and Mandelfort would not have seen this as contacts with the Russian government, but with a private citizen who might have had some useful dirt on the Clinton campaign. It also seems likely that the the whole thing was concocted by the intermediary as a way to get them to agree to meet with the lawyer, who's real business was something else entirely less interesting.

I try to keep an objective view of things. I'm 100% confident in Russia doing all the things they are accuse of. I'm 100% confident Trump's campaign took advantage of everything they were gifted, legal or otherwise. I'm not yet ready to believe that Paul Mandelfort, Carter Page and others high up in the Trump campaign were aware of the full extent of the Russian operation, or sought to influence it, or coordinated with it.

Why not ...

Goldstone, who represents the son of an Azerbaijani-Russian businessman close to the Russian government, claimed in an email to Trump Jr. in June 2016 that a top Russian prosecutor had offered the father "some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia."

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump," Goldstone wrote in the email to Trump Jr.

"who's real business was something else entirely less interesting."

Wow....

"I'm not yet ready to believe that Paul Mandelfort, Carter Page and others high up in the Trump campaign were aware of the full extent of the Russian operation, or sought to influence it, or coordinated with it."

I guess you will have to wait on Muller then...this stinks to high heaven....these lies all have one common theme.


(This poll was taken before all this was revealed.)

What Public Opinion of the Russia Investigations Reveals About Trust in Democratic Institutions

This time... He Swears.

Donald Trump Jr. Maintains He Didn’t Tell His Father About Meeting With Russian Lawyer

So utterly and completely awesome.

Say, where'd Natalia get her visa?

What's your theory?

Rachel explains here that the right is working on two different lines.

Trump Jr collusion admission leaves Kushner exposed
Rachel Maddow points out that Republicans are likely to try to undercut the Trump Russia investigation and the admission to collusion by Donald Trump, Jr., but the risk of how Russia might coerce the Trump administration with what else it could reveal adds urgency to Robert Mueller's mission.

I'm betting on Obama did it...seriously.

:: cough :: cough ::

Oh, look. Obama's DOJ let Natalia into the country

Quick!

Let's down-mod this– can't have the messy truth laying around when we have the knives out for Team Trump.

Does this have something to do with Trump and Russian collusion to interfere with the election?

Oh look more than 14.5 million Russians visited foreign countries my guess she also let one or two other Russians in as well. But none of that has anything to do with Russians interfering with our elections


They also asked some Russians to go home...
Obama expels 35 Russian diplomats (Spy) in retaliation for US election.

Obama's DOJ– Loretta Lynch personally– waived the visa requirement for the Russian lawyer.

Let's have a special prosecutor for Democrat dirty tricks, shall we?

If that is true...and that is not a small if. I have seen no evidence of this. What the hell are you suggesting.
That in pre June sometime the AG and Obama and Clinton all got together to have a Russian lawyer tempt the poor naive Trumps into committing violation of the election code?

Natalia Veselnitskaya worked for the Russian bank where the Podesta group was the chief lobbying firm. She has ties to Fusion GPS.

She was on a watchlist and associated with the Magnitsky affair. How'd she get in the US?

Fusion GPS
https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/fusion-gps-dossier-russia-trump-jr-christopher-steele-democrat-planned-parenthood-glenn-simpson-peter-fritsch-natalia-veselnitskaya-grassley-hearing/

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

Natalia Veselnitskaya in Washington in the front row of a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Russia policy 8 Days After Meeting Trump Jr.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg/

I'm suggesting that there are questions as to the veracity of the actions of both Hillary and Bill Clinton, Obama, Lynch, Comey et al.

Consider that there might be more here than you've been led to believe.

I'm suggesting that there are questions as to the veracity of the actions of both Hillary and Bill Clinton, Obama, Lynch, Comey et al.

Ok lets hear it what did they do?

You tell me.

Who paid Fusion GPS for the Steele Dossier?

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He'd burn everyone around but the family who sticks with him. Let's see how he rolls a son.