Tuesday, 31 January 2017

Trump: Waterboarding isn't torture

quote [ “I mean, torture is real torture, OK? Waterboarding is — I'm sure it's not pleasant, but waterboarding was just short of torture,” he said in an interview with Fox News's Sean Hannity. “When — you know, all of a sudden, they made it torture.”

“I spoke with people the other day who are in this world that were talking about it. Absolutely, it works. Absolutely," he said. ]

I have a deal for Mr. Trump. He gets to be waterboarded. If he doesn't agree under said procedure to give up his tax returns and admit the size of his inaugural crowd was two homeless people and a dog, then it's not torture. Fair play, right?
[SFW] [dystopian violence] [+1]
[by HP Lovekraftwerk@12:44amGMT]

Comments

kylemcbitch said @ 1:02am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
Wasn't water-boarding amongst the justifications for killing several Japanese generals as warcriminals?
biblebeltdrunk said @ 2:00am GMT on 31st Jan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/16/cheneys-claim-that-the-u-s-did-not-prosecute-japanese-soldiers-for-waterboarding/?utm_term=.98ce2208c02f

Here is a nice article about it.
sanepride said @ 2:03am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Informative]
Trump's made this view known already, on the campaign trail.
What's more relevant here is that he says he's willing to defer to Sec. Mattis on this issue, and that's actually good news.
bbqkink said @ 2:30am GMT on 31st Jan
Not really... Mattis was standing grinning right behind Trump as he signed the Muslim ban and then put the pen he singed it with in his pocket. Hopes that he would bring sanity to the Trump White house seem to be greatly exaggerated.
sanepride said @ 3:19am GMT on 31st Jan
On this particular issue Mattis had been clear- he's opposed to waterboarding and other forms of 'enhanced interrogation'.
bbqkink said[1] @ 6:32am GMT on 31st Jan
Problem is DOD is not the agency that does the torturing that would be the CIA. Trump used Mattis comment about a pack of cigs and a 6 pack as a place where he could maintain his torture works stance at the same time look reasonable.

And I can't see the reasonable man I have heard Mattis describe as smiling put the pen in his pocket after Trump signing what can only be described a Muslim ban. He is or was a 4 star he has to know what that would do to our counter terrorism efforts or our upcoming battle in Syria where we need Muslim forces to fight ISIS...Not seeing a reasonable man.
bbqkink said @ 5:15am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Interesting]
Related:

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — A federal judge on Friday refused to dismiss a lawsuit against two psychologists who designed the CIA's harsh interrogation methods used on terror detainees, pushing them closer to a trial that is expected to include secret information.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued James Mitchell and John "Bruce" Jessen on behalf of three former detainees, Gul Rahman, who died in custody, and Suleiman Abdullah Salim and Mohamed Ahmed Ben Soud, who claim they were tortured in CIA prisons in Afghanistan.

Judge refuses to toss lawsuit on harsh CIA interrogation
midden said @ 12:47am GMT on 31st Jan
Sounds good. Time to start another whithouse.gov petition.
Jodan said @ 12:49am GMT on 31st Jan
Yes, it is.
slaytanik said @ 4:00am GMT on 31st Jan
It's just alternative interrogation
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:16am GMT on 31st Jan
Can you change the title up or change the post category to politics? Thanks.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:45am GMT on 31st Jan
Why? Isn't waterboarding violence? I'm not sure what your objection is.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:53am GMT on 31st Jan
TRUMP: something
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:55am GMT on 31st Jan
So anything involving Trump must be politics?

You missed being miffed at this post, then.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:59am GMT on 31st Jan
I almost did ask to change it, but considering it was a baseball bat attack and CB doesn't post about trump everyday, I let it slide.
HP Lovekraftwerk said[1] @ 4:55am GMT on 31st Jan
So did steele. Funny, that. He just wanted it out of his virtual reality category. Perhaps if I'd started with that, I wouldn't have run afoul of the Sensible Inquisition.
lilmookieesquire said @ 5:12am GMT on 31st Jan
Look. Dude. I just asked you to change the fucking post category to politics.

And I asked you nicely.

It's cool. I've explained my position and we disagree.

Got it.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 6:05am GMT on 31st Jan
And I asked you politely why. Your response was inconsistent.

Asking for something doesn't mean you get it, by the way. Your parents as well as a certain song by the Rolling Stones should have taught you that.
lilmookieesquire said @ 6:26am GMT on 31st Jan
Got it.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 6:31am GMT on 31st Jan
I really don't think you do, but whatever floats your boat.
steele said @ 5:12am GMT on 31st Jan
Can you change the title up or change the post category to politics? Thanks

What a dick. Even saying thanks, implying that you're going to be as polite as he was. What an asshole.
lilmookieesquire said @ 5:17am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Hot Pr0n]
Not now dear. I don't want him to know about our forbidden vendetta love.
steele said[1] @ 1:39pm GMT on 31st Jan
It's going to be so hot when I kidnap you, shave your head, and gaslight you into becoming a revolutionary.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 6:13am GMT on 31st Jan
I didn't call him any names, he's referred to this article as a "shitpost," and both of you still haven't given any adequate reason why this post differs from the one I listed that he passed over for similar treatment. In that other article, you asked its category to be changed to something other than VR, approving when it was done so to something other than politics.

It's your site, and that's fine. I'm not Numbers who will spout faux drivel about free speech, since there is no expectation of such here or anywhere except perhaps save at a public government-run forum. We've butted heads and that's fine as well. Everyone is free to mod as they choose, just as I'm free to post my opinions as long as you allow me to do so.

Is 'mookie an admin, now? Are his requests supposed to carry the same weight as yours?
steele said @ 1:33pm GMT on 31st Jan
No, he's not an admin, he's a moderator, as are you and everybody with karma high enough to have their mod permissions enabled. And mookie isn't the only one filtering posts right now, I and quite a few others are doing it too.

He requested you change the category of your post about a politician's policy instead of downmodding you. No different than giving a person a chance to fix a repost before downmodding. He did it politely. I upmodded him instead of downmodding you because I agreed with him. In response, you made a scene. You got downmodded. If people don't like the category you put your post in, they're supposed to downmod you. That's what both the categories and the negative mod are there for.

cb361 isn't the first person I've asked to move categories regardless of whether they were VR/AR or not. He switched to Dystopian Violence to be ironic. His post even could've been humor, it had +3 funny when I came across it. You know what it wasn't? Anything to do with Virtual or Augmented Reality Technologies.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:52am GMT on 31st Jan
I'd also be interested in a graph of how often you and steele upmod each other vs. other users. I think you're not far from a match.com success story.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:57am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:2 Underrated]
I really don't care about discussing any of this with you. I just want to be able to filter shit posts in peace.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 4:57am GMT on 31st Jan
You managed to filter out the other one without comment or mod. I'm almost thinking you and yours have some kind of personal vendetta. I guess not liking the right books will do that.

Or perhaps you can't multitask.
lilmookieesquire said @ 5:07am GMT on 31st Jan
"you and yours"

Jodan said @ 1:58am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Funny]
lilmookieesquire said @ 2:00am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
Also Kirk was the better captain. I said it.
bbqkink said[1] @ 2:27am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1 Old]
filtered comment under your threshold
lilmookieesquire said @ 2:54am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:0 Underrated]
Here's the thing. I have political posts filtered. There's a cap on posting repeated subjects within a limited timeframe so SE doesn't get flooded with shit posts.

This post is not a politics category because he's already posted too many political posts.

That's a feature.

Instead of downmodding all you guys or posting "progressive" comments where I repeat myself over and over again, I'm trying to ignore you so you guys can lemon party circle jerk in peace.

So I asked to change a Trump post to politics.

Is that unreasonable? No.

(Even I post politics about Trump. The difference is, is that my posts are about how people are resisting and trying to take action; whereas you guys are basically his fucking media wing. He can't even take a shit without it being posted on SE. SE has literally become worse than my facebook and that's fucking shameful.)

And that's fine. We can agree to disagree. But I'd like to be able to filter your shitposts out so I can enjoy SE.
bbqkink said[1] @ 3:08am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-2 Unworthy Self Link]
filtered comment under your threshold
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:21am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said[1] @ 3:33am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-2 Old]
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lilmookieesquire said @ 3:45am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said[1] @ 3:53am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 4:06am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said @ 5:27am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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lilmookieesquire said @ 5:45am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said[2] @ 6:01am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1]
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steele said[1] @ 1:38pm GMT on 31st Jan [Score:0 Underrated]
So I should just downmod and we can turn the whole mess into a flamewar...ya that was how this place was built...bullshit...amigo.

Yes, yes it fucking was. You're not supposed to argue with people, you're supposed to downmod and move on. You're not supposed to give people a chance to change their category or post when they repost, you're supposed to downmod so that there's a karmic consequence for not abiding by the category positing limits and not searching for reposts. It's literally the intent with which matt (all hail the asshole creator) designed the system.

Also, you clearly don't understand how filtering works. It's threshold based. I've got politics set to a score of > 4 so that I don't see the endless parade of posts about every time Trump has a bowel movement.
bbqkink said[1] @ 8:07pm GMT on 31st Jan
"You're not supposed to argue with people"

Then why are we here, you can get news a lot more in depth from a lot of other places.

There is only one reason to be here and that is the people who come here to discus and inform. Anything else can be done on a much larger scale a lot of other places. And I know this is your site now but if memory serves the mod system was used to police abuses not to eliminate an opinion you disagreed with. That is the reason this place worked.

And you are correct I didn't know you could graduate your views for specific each category. I can't understand why anyone would do that. I understand there are things you are not interested in and would filter out mafia games in my case. But why would need to filter there are like what 20 post a day..on all topics. If there were 20,000 ya, but come on.

But downmoding a guy who takes the effort to post because you think that anything that Trump does is automatically politics is a little petty. And if Trump is such a problem maybe you could talk to the guy who takes care of this place and he could start a Trump category.

And while I'm here I do want to thank you for maintaining this place. It is still the best place to have a decent conversation on the web. even though some people here do downmod you because they disagree with you.

steele said @ 9:26pm GMT on 31st Jan
I basically quoted matt's explanation for the moderation system.

We can't have 20,000 posts a day if you're not willing to follow the rules for 20 of them. I'm trying to build this place back up to being something again, that requires structure and growth instead of the attitudes and behaviors that left us with a shell of what the community once was.

You're welcome.
bbqkink said @ 9:48pm GMT on 31st Jan
I basically quoted matt's explanation for the moderation system.

You didn't like him anyway right...just try not to make it all about the rules...make it about the people. It will grow if you do. The reason it died was trolls overtook it. I don't even mention this place when I am in other places out of protection.
steele said @ 9:54pm GMT on 31st Jan
😂
bbqkink said @ 3:28am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-3]
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