Friday, 13 October 2017

IMF: higher taxes for rich will cut inequality without hitting growth

quote [ The fiscal monitor does not mention any country by name and does not specify at what level governments should set the new higher rate for top earners. But the report stressed that cutting tax for the top 1% had gone too far - a strong hint that the IMF has doubts about the pro-rich tax plan proposed by Donald Trump for the US. ]

Have you guys considered becoming rich?

Higher income tax rates for the rich would help reduce inequality without having an adverse impact on growth, the International Monetary Fund has said.

The Washington-based IMF used its influential half-yearly fiscal monitor to demolish the argument that economic growth would suffer if governments in advanced Western countries forced the top 1% of earners to pay more tax.

The IMF said tax theory suggested there should be “significantly higher” tax rates for those on higher incomes but the argument against doing so was that hitting the rich would be bad for growth.

But the influential global institution said: “Empirical results do not support this argument, at least for levels of progressivity that are not excessive.” The IMF added that different types of wealth taxes might also be considered.

Labour seized on the report, calling for higher taxes on the rich, citing the IMF’s intervention as evidence of the need for a fairer tax system.

In its election manifesto, Labour proposed a new 45% tax band on those earning more than £80,000 and a 50% rate for those on more than £123,000.

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John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, said: “The IMF support the argument we made in the General Election for a fairer tax system. There is no evidence to support those who scaremonger about the effects of making the rich pay fairer tax.”

He added: “ Not only have the Tories slashed the top rate of tax, they still plan billions in tax giveaways to the super rich and big corporations over this parliament.”

Despite claims from ministers that Labour’s tax plans would be both politically and economically damaging, McDonnell believes higher taxes for the rich would be both workable and popular.

“With every day that passes the case for a change of direction at the Treasury grows. Instead of engaging in infighting in his own party the chancellor should listen to Labour’s calls for fairer taxes and increased investment, so we will build an economy for the many not the few.”

Theresa May has repeatedly attacked Labour’s approach as extreme, claiming in prime minister’s questions on Wednesday that Corbyn and McDonnell are on “planet Venezuela”.

But the prime minister conceded at a fringe meeting at her party’s conference in Manchester that public opinion appears to be more favourable to some of Labour’s economic ideas than Conservative strategists had assumed in the run-up to June’s general election.

“We thought there was a political consensus,” she said. “Jeremy Corbyn changed that”.

With Philip Hammond due to deliver his budget next month, it is unclear whether the government will press ahead with promised tax cuts for higher earners, including plans to increase the higher rate threshold for income tax to £50,000.


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The fiscal monitor does not mention any country by name and does not specify at what level governments should set the new higher rate for top earners. But the report stressed that cutting tax for the top 1% had gone too far - a strong hint that the IMF has doubts about the pro-rich tax plan proposed by Donald Trump for the US.

Instead, the IMF said higher tax for the rich was necessary to arrest rising income inequality – the argument used by McDonnell and the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

The fiscal monitor said most advanced economies in the West had experienced a sizeable increase in income inequality in the past three decades, driven primarily by the growing income of the top 1%.

Traditionally, governments have sought to make their societies less unequal by levying higher income tax rates on the rich and using the proceeds to help those less well off either directly or through public services.

But it found that income tax systems had become markedly less progressive in the 1980s and 1990s and had remained stable since then, even though growing inequality raised the need for a more progressive approach.

In an IMF blog, the head of the IMF’s fiscal affairs unit, Vitor Gaspar, said the average top income tax rate for the rich country members of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development had fallen from 62% in 1981 to 35% in 2015.


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“In addition, tax systems are less progressive than indicated by the statutory rates, because wealthy individuals have more access to tax relief,” Gaspar said in the blog co-written with Mercedes Garcia-Escribano. “Importantly, we find that some advanced economies can increase progressivity without hampering growth, as long as progressivity is not excessive.”

IMF research found that between 1985 and 1995, redistribution through the tax system had offset 60% of the increase in inequality caused by market forces. But between 1995 and 2010, income tax systems failed to respond to the continuing increase in inequality.

It also said inequality should be tackled by giving a more pro-poor slant to public spending.

“Despite progress, gaps in access to quality education and healthcare services between different income groups in the population remain in many countries,” Gaspar and Garcia-Escribano said, adding that in rich countries men with university education lived up to 14 years longer than those with secondary education or less.

“Better public spending can help, for instance, by reallocating education or health spending from the rich to the poor while keeping total public education or health spending unchanged,” they added.

In its separate global financial stability review, the IMF said it would take several years for central banks to return interest rates to more normal levels due to the risk of aborting recovery.

But the report also highlighted the risk that prolonged monetary support could lead to the buildup of further financial excesses. Too much money was chasing too few assets offering a yield, the IMF said.

A Treasury spokesperson said: “A fair tax system is a critical part of our plan to build a fairer society. Today, the richest 1% pay over a quarter of all income tax while 4 million of the lower earners have been taken out of income tax altogether.”
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Comments

foobar said @ 3:44am GMT on 13th Oct [Score:3 Underrated]
When the IMF is saying you need to tax your rich, you dun fucked up.
cb361 said @ 1:51pm GMT on 13th Oct
The rich have any taxes left to cut?
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:57pm GMT on 13th Oct
In America, rich cut you!
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:41pm GMT on 13th Oct
We could give subsidies. Or just start gifting people.
bbqkink said @ 10:07pm GMT on 13th Oct
lilmookieesquire said @ 5:35pm GMT on 14th Oct
That’s the joke. That American citizens are taxed and companies get the windfall.
norok said @ 1:21pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1 Boring]
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:35pm GMT on 13th Oct
According to the article, the repeal will create a large budget deficit in Cook County.
norok said[3] @ 4:29pm GMT on 13th Oct
The state and Chicago are already running at massive budget deficits. I'm sure that whatever budget they allocated was based on more spending in expectation of the revenue from the tax. The revenue did not develop and now the government has just made their problem worse.

One more thing of note about the soda tax is what group it primary effected: the poor. The largest single expenditure of SNAP recipients is on... soft drinks.


The government just basically taxed itself via the poor. These are the kind of tax policies people should really get enraged about.
mechanical contrivance said @ 5:05pm GMT on 13th Oct
The poor could have easily stopped buying sugary drinks instead of paying the higher price. In fact, according to the article, they did. The people who hated the tax the most were people who sold sugary drinks. They could have switched to selling other drinks instead. And if the tax didn't get repealed, they would have had to.
norok said @ 5:40pm GMT on 13th Oct
I don't understand your position; this was a good tax to you?

Sure, people 'can' do something but in actuality in this county and in Philadelphia beer becomes cheaper than soda which means people can buy it more cheaply and will choose to do so.
mechanical contrivance said @ 6:18pm GMT on 13th Oct
Easy solution: increase the tax on beer.
bbqkink said @ 9:12pm GMT on 13th Oct
Already big sin tax on beer.
foobar said @ 4:21pm GMT on 14th Oct
Looks like theirs is pretty low. As a small brewer, our provincial levy is $0.40/litre, but larger breweries pay about a dollar. There's also a federal tax of between $3.18 to $31.80 per hl.
bbqkink said[1] @ 6:55pm GMT on 14th Oct
Beer 23.1¢/gal. for the state , $0.29 per gallon of beer by the city, and 6 cents per gallon by the county...plus the federal tax


Existing federal excise taxes on beer are set at a rate of $18/barrel for brewers of more than 2 million barrels (62 million gallons, or the equivalent of 110 million six-packs) and all beer importers. Since the late 1970s, growth in the small brewing sector has been encouraged by tax credits offered to brewers which produce less than 2 million barrels, cutting their excise tax rate to $7/barrel on the first 60,000 barrels and allowing them a far lower overall effective tax rate on all barrels up to 2 million.
bbqkink said @ 6:16pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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mechanical contrivance said @ 6:22pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said @ 7:16pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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norok said @ 6:52pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-2 Bad]
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bbqkink said @ 11:12pm GMT on 14th Oct [Score:-1]
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norok said[2] @ 1:09pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-3 Boring]
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:24pm GMT on 13th Oct
What if we only increased the tax on the portion of income above a certain amount? For example, adding an extra 5% tax on whatever portion of your income is over $250,000 for the year? If you earned $250,000 that year, you don't pay the extra tax. If you earned $300,000, you pay an extra 5% tax on $50,000. Would the middle class be harmed by that?
foobar said @ 4:09pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:2 Funsightful]
You mean like how income taxes have always worked?
bbqkink said[1] @ 7:29pm GMT on 13th Oct
Most people have no idea how the tax system works.

Everybody pays the exact same amount on the first $9,275 to $37,650 of taxable income... The billionaire and the kid who works at Mickey D's...pay 15%

then everybody who makes more than $37,650 pays 25% on income up to $91,150 and so on.https://taxfoundation.org/2016-tax-brackets/
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:50pm GMT on 13th Oct
Income*
bbqkink said @ 10:39pm GMT on 14th Oct
taxable income
lilmookieesquire said @ 12:31am GMT on 15th Oct
I mean the issue is the term "income".

That's where it stops getting "simple" and starts becoming the profession of finance &/or accounting.
bbqkink said @ 1:45am GMT on 15th Oct
ok I am officially confused. If not income what do yo call it?
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:49am GMT on 15th Oct
How to Read a Financial Report:
For Managers, Entrepreneurs, Lenders, Lawyers, and Investors

by John A. Tracy
(A solid, easily understood, well written primer on understanding financial reports. Quite demystifying. Emphasis on understandability.)
bbqkink said @ 7:12pm GMT on 15th Oct
If not income what do you call it?
bbqkink said @ 3:04am GMT on 16th Oct
I really don't want to join the book club. it amazes that around here you ask a question and get a book title in response. I simply wanted to clarify use of terms to have a discussion.

It has nothing to do with Financial Reports it has to do with the Tax code and the loopholes it creates.
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:39am GMT on 16th Oct [Score:1 Sad]
The book is more about how you can use accounting to get arou-

Ya you know, just never mind. You’re an expert. Natch.
bbqkink said @ 4:00am GMT on 16th Oct
Just want to define the term income and taxable income. I am aware that lawyers spend everyday make the tax code work for them...but if you and I can't at least agree on what income is we are at a dead end.
norok said @ 4:32pm GMT on 13th Oct
That sounds like a progressive tax like many governments already employ. I don't think chipping away at the edges will change much. You really need consumption taxes like a 25% tax on cars over $100k for instance. That's really the best way to generate revenue from high earners. Unfortunately, when the government get's into taxing consumption you end up with a new host of problems as I noted below regarding the soda tax.
bbqkink said @ 5:29pm GMT on 13th Oct
What we need is a... maximum deduction.... amount on the system we have right now. Your deductions can not equal more than a 20% tax rate...the only deduction that can give you a zero rate is the personal exception.

We don't need to flatten the tax or create a national sales tax or any other way of rewarding high income earners they are rich enough already we need a way to force them to pay the taxes they owe. That goes for money stored in offshore accounts for the specific purpose of avoiding paying taxes.

We have rewarded that behavior before and if we do it again the off shore accounts will just start up again waiting for the next tax holiday. If you want to bring money onshore you are subject to that 20% minimum and is a one time deal, one per life.

Oh and that estate tax dynasty building plan...no way in hell. That's how you get the rich to pay their taxes.

And nobody can give us a reason we should cut taxes for the rich other than trickle down...including you. I can give you many for raising them. At this point I would be satisfied if they just shut up and payed what they owe.
norok said @ 5:42pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1 Boring]
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bbqkink said @ 5:47pm GMT on 13th Oct
And if we make government smaller who does what the government does now...the states? Talk about needing a raise in Taxes most states have a balanced budget requirements.
norok said @ 6:51pm GMT on 13th Oct
You bring up a good point; the states that do not (Illinois) could start by implementing a balanced budget. Illinois in particular is one of the highest state-to-state immigration states; they should be cutting back as people abscond to lower taxes.
bbqkink said[2] @ 2:17am GMT on 14th Oct
The ever shrinking pie...that is your answer? Even though there is example after example that places with higher taxes have healthier, happier, and more peaceful citizens. That GDP grow at faster rates business show more profit infrastructure and better education draw more investment...you are still calling for smaller weaker government...amazing.

Kansas' tax cuts are a spectacular failure. Meanwhile, in California ...

There plenty other examples but this one is easy...this is the great conservative tax cut experiment for all the world to see.

Where did this plan ever work.... anywhere? Where has cutting taxes ever made a place more prosperous?
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:28pm GMT on 13th Oct
I do too. That way the south can turn into a giant dust bowl it really is and when the mobs start scavenging I can stay in my corporate campus while security kills and captures the mobs who can be sold to foreign vendors for profit at minimal to no tax! It’s okay if security people won’t kill the semi-feral children. That’s what the AI is for.

Score!
milkman666 said @ 8:12pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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norok said @ 9:55pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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milkman666 said @ 11:18pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:0 laz0r]
But which country? I always hear the if you raise taxes the wealthy will leave but that threat always seems to have the tinge of the 6 year old saying they will run away. To where? Any halfway decent place will have higher taxes. You can argue, well they just mean their money, but that rings hollow as well. Now these are probable hide holes for all that cash but its already a occuring. With the exception of switzerland the rest don't really have enough clout to push back against legislation that would nullify the benefit their offshore banking provides. If you have the political will to increase the taxes on Americans, I'd imagine you could rouse the populist rage against foreign bankers. Hell, depending on how hard climate change effects the island offshore banking havens, i would be concerned about the security of the funds that you have parked there.

But all that is secondary. There is a benefit to banking in a first world nation. There is a benefit to living in a first world nation. If what you were asserting were true, then above a certain threshold, all that wealth would migrate to all these tax haven nations. Thats not the case. So either there are economic controls that could be put in place to disincentives people from putting every euro in the bahamas, or they just have a better class of millionare.
arrowhen said @ 10:03pm GMT on 13th Oct [Score:-1]
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