I am a Strange Loop -
Can thought arise out of matter? Can self, soul, consciousness, `I` arise out of mere matter? If it cannot, then how can you or I be here?
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Friday, 20 May 2016
quote [ A sexual predator who falsely claimed to be transgender and preyed on women at two Toronto shelters... ]
Because intellectual honesty means acknowledging opposing arguments.
Yes, I'm throwing our resident troll a bone here. Not that I agree with numbers' beliefs, to be clear, but because of the above reason.
Interestingly, I haven't heard anyone on either side reference this case when talking about the NC law, even though (or perhaps because) it predates this whole debate by several years. One bad apple etc., but we can't claim this "never happens" because it clearly did at least once.
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5th Earth said @ 6:25am GMT on 21st May
So you're saying it has been determined beyond reasonable doubt that nobody is using transgenderism as a tool to commit criminal acts? Because it really hasn't.
5th Earth said @ 6:37am GMT on 21st May
So you're saying it has been determined beyond reasonable doubt that nobody is using transgenderism as a tool to commit criminal acts? Because it really hasn't.
Secondly, since when has anything ever been accomplished by refusing to talk to someone? Refusal to engage with others is why echo-chamber culture exists.
I don't think it's likely that any of us will get numbers to change their mind, but it's a great opportunity to refine our own ideas. For example, that there are negative consequences to allowing people to unilaterally assert gender identity. These consequences don't outweigh the benefits IMO, but it's not honest to assert something is good without at least considering the ways that it might be bad. I saw a part of the debate that I want aware of. I didn't like what it implied, but I'll be damned if I'll pretend it doesn't exist.
5th Earth said @ 6:38am GMT on 21st May
So you're saying it has been determined beyond reasonable doubt that nobody is using transgenderism as a tool to commit criminal acts? Because it really hasn't.
Secondly, since when has anything ever been accomplished by refusing to talk to someone? Refusal to engage with others is why echo-chamber culture exists.
I don't think it's likely that any of us will get numbers to change their mind, but it's a great opportunity to refine our own ideas. For example, that there are negative consequences to allowing people to unilaterally assert gender identity. These consequences don't outweigh the benefits IMO, but it's not honest to assert something is good without at least considering the ways that it might be bad. I saw a part of the debate that I wasn't aware of. I didn't like what it implied, but I'll be damned if I'll pretend it doesn't exist.
5th Earth said @ 6:43am GMT on 21st May
So you're saying it has been determined beyond reasonable doubt that nobody is using transgenderism as a tool to commit criminal acts? Because it really hasn't.
Secondly, since when has anything ever been accomplished by refusing to talk to someone? Refusal to engage with others is why echo-chamber culture exists.
I don't think it's likely that any of us will get numbers to change their mind, but it's a great opportunity to refine our own ideas. For example, that there are negative consequences to allowing people to unilaterally assert gender identity. These consequences don't outweigh the benefits IMO, but it's not honest to assert something is good without at least considering the ways that it might be bad. I saw a part of the debate that I wasn't aware of. I didn't like what it implied, but I'll be damned if I'll pretend it doesn't exist.
Anyway, I don't argue the troll mod. Trolls post things that incite arguments, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't know this would start another fight. I just consider this a constructive argument. I feel like I'm getting something out of it, anyway.
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5th Earth said @ 6:25am GMT on 21st May
So you're saying it has been determined beyond reasonable doubt that nobody is using transgenderism as a tool to commit criminal acts? Because it really hasn't.
Secondly, since when has anything ever been accomplished by refusing to talk to someone? Refusal to engage with others is why echo-chamber culture exists.
I don't think it's likely that any of us will get numbers to change their mind, but it's a great opportunity to refine our own ideas. For example, that there are negative consequences to allowing people to unilaterally assert gender identity. These consequences don't outweigh the benefits IMO, but it's not honest to assert something is good without at least considering the ways that it might be bad. I saw a part of the debate that I wasn't aware of. I didn't like what it implied, but I'll be damned if I'll pretend it doesn't exist.
Anyway, I don't argue the troll mod. Trolls post things that incite arguments, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't know this would start another fight. I just consider this a constructive argument. I feel like I'm getting something out of it, anyway.
