Wednesday, 19 April 2017

See for yourself...The difference between a 3rd way democrat and a progressive populist

quote [ MrTwistyRoads 7 hours ago
Let Bernie speak more. Perez is still lost and is just warm-fuzzy phrase peddling. Democrats still don't get it. ]

The difference as so eloquently stated by MrTwistyRoads...Policy Vs. can't we all get along rhetoric. If this is any indication there has been no change in the thinking at the DNC...they indeed still don't get it.

And all the media gleams from this is that Bernie Won't say he is a Democrat...sad.
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[by bbqkink@9:32pmGMT]

Comments

sanepride said @ 10:05pm GMT on 19th Apr [Score:2]
Oh jeez. Listening to Perez...the Dems are screwed. Still. Somebody needs to grow a pair.
steele said @ 10:08pm GMT on 19th Apr [Score:1 Funsightful]
4321 said @ 10:41pm GMT on 19th Apr [Score:1 Funny]


bbqkink said @ 11:05pm GMT on 19th Apr
I think this is a first..it is had to tell with all of your sock puppets...have an up vote, because that's funny.
steele said @ 10:07pm GMT on 19th Apr
That was a Yes or No question, Tom.
lilmookieesquire said @ 11:15pm GMT on 19th Apr
At 7:15 bernie looks so disappointed.
steele said @ 1:35am GMT on 20th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
He's hearing the same bullshit we are. Even more behind the scenes, I'm sure.
Hugh E. said @ 2:16am GMT on 20th Apr
From 8 to 11 MSNBC, show by show, decreases in pitch, volume, and pace.
C18H27NO3 said @ 2:55pm GMT on 20th Apr
So I take it this website and it's members are pretty much completely behind bernie and think he's the savior of the DNC? Just askin'
steele said[1] @ 4:07pm GMT on 20th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
He's not the answer to all of America's ills, but he's an incremental step in the right direction. But, no, there are definitely people on this website that do not feel that way.
jbhalper said[1] @ 3:03pm GMT on 20th Apr
I can't speak for everyone, but I think Sanders is the best shot that Democrats have right now. Not necessarily because Bernie is perfect and represents every policy his supporters may want. But, he leads because he speaks authentically to the specific pains that a huge number of Americans feel on a daily basis.

Bernie commits to a point of view, and even if I don't agree with every view he commits to, it seems obvious that he can be trusted to speak and act the same way. Both of those (speaking and acting) indicate Sanders listens to others, listens to factual information, and understands the need to build support at a broad level.

The DNC does not have a vision, does not know what to do with its own infrastucture, seems incapable of self-reflection and self-criticism, and has for decades been unable to define themselves in an coherent way beyond: "we are not the GOP."

Since politicians seem unwilling to take on any subject of difficulty anymore, the fact that Sanders wants to address big, important, defining issues in substantive ways is going to continue to draw support as far as I can see.
C18H27NO3 said @ 5:37pm GMT on 20th Apr
I see a huge problem with bernie. He's promising something he can't deliver. At least not in the near future, to a generation that demands instant gratification and entitlement -deserved or not. He also seems to think, just like conservatives, that you can change society and culture through legislation and grass roots efforts (by winning congressional seats). What he is describing is an imposition of values, instead of redefining those values in society. Government is good for some things, but it won't solve everything. Until this country gets over it's infatuation with free markets and capitalism, regulating them will be a constant battle. Back and forth and back again. This just isn't productive. The culture needs to focus on community, and away from individualism, but that pokes the constitution and how it is interpreted as well as consumerism. We're in mexican standoff, and I don't see bernie solving it.

I also get a creepy feeling from him, in that he tries to make himself out to be the empathetic, altruistic, civil servant, but comes off to me as a self-serving opportunist. Trying to cement his legacy as the next political Howard Zinn. But that motivation is typical of anybody in his position. I don't get the same sincerity from him as others' do.

I get the "incremental steps" in the right direction, as I mostly consider myself a "progressive," but I haven't heard any kind of solutions from him that will deal with a predominantly GOP congress and state legislatures. All I hear is revolutionary talk and total wealth re-distribution. He's not very good at managing expectations. In fact, he's great at inflating them. I don't consider him a progressive, but a radical. And we all know how the other side views radicals. . .

I'm more of a pragmatist, and see the need for a fundamental paradigm shift in society that cannot be achieved overnight under the current parameters without violent revolution or an outright coup. But I don't condone that course either, in what I consider a relatively sane society. But that's changing daily.

Having typed all that, I do in fact support most of his policies and ideas. As do most liberals, I would think.
bbqkink said[5] @ 6:09pm GMT on 20th Apr
" but I haven't heard any kind of solutions from him that will deal with a predominantly GOP congress and state legislatures"

Sanders: Dems need 50-state strategy

And if anything we have seen in these recent elections tell us that a REAL Democrat can win even in the redest of red states. And by real Democrat I mean someone who talks like this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNvqjn7z5h8

or this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4


or this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILqHSH4X_w


Somebody who would start rallys by screaming "$15 or fight" and "Healthcare is a right"...and say it as much as Trump said "Crocked Hillary" and "Lock her up." a proud populist.


It doesn't take a coup. Obama was elected with a Filibuster and veto proof majority not that long ago now the GOP have both houses and POTUS....it can change quickly.

And the Statehouses will come back in line with the advent of ending Gerrymandering...tougher

But the most difficult thing seems to get a progressive named as a candidate either at the top or down ticket. The primaries are not small D democratic
If you call yourself a progressive and you aren't working to get somebody nominated for every open seat you can vote for I don't want to hear any whining the "Democrats suck" bullshit in November...

You know who you are...Jill Stein...give me break now is the time..get to work.
bbqkink said @ 1:56am GMT on 21st Apr
4/19/17 - Warren: Trump poised to deliver knock-out blow to middle class


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aptympxlRg4



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