I have a graphic design background and I'd like to help out, but realistically I'm not going to be able to devote real time to it til mid April. I'd promise you something really really awesome, though. I got mad skillz.

Don't forget this.

So you'll design the background?!

Yeah, it'll be one of those awesome modern art things called something like 'Musings on a theme of White, IV' and no one will want to admit that there's nothing there to look at so they'll just nod very slowly and seriously and talk about how I've really captured the essence of a website background.

But mummy, e's not wearin' any clothes!

He just forgot to change the post to NSFW, that's all...

Just givin it a shot

Where's the top hat?


kidding

Sorry for the size, fuck me.

Give me a couple days. I'll add my take on it with a couple mockups.

Funny, I never really connected the original logo with Coke. Don't know why. To me the cursive adds a touch of class. Yet there's the word Erection right in there, so it's like "classy filth", which I think fits with SE. So, I give some points to the original design. But, fuck it, new URL new logo, change is good. Logos are a tricky thing though, and I think we should vote, or maybe even vote, try one out, then if it starts to suck after a couple weeks, try another.

Maybe we should at least keep the same color red in there, for continuity?

Yeah, I never made the Coke connection either. I don't know why, but for some reason the font always vaguely reminded me of classic cars.

Is there any reason we even NEED a header graphic?

Not really. I kind of actually like it the way it is now. I'd just say take out "much impress" and replace it with "sensibleendowment".

That would look awesome on a mug or a shirt.

Corporate Branding. We need brand recognition and increased market confidence so that we can increase our investor base to leverage a hostile takeover of geocities.

Yeah, I'd kill the header all together. Maybe just make the "home | about | search | post" a bit larger and make "home" "sensibleendowment" or something. Any recent site design doesn't really use header graphics.

I don't pretend that these are anything special. I just made some text red and tried out a bunch of fonts. But at least this gives you guys something to look at and argue about. Perhaps fight in a pit of some kind. Maybe someone can take one and expand on it. Or, I can do another pass with input. I think #10 is the original SE font, but I'm not sure. close to it. Notice the "upward bend" on #12. WINK WINK. NUDGE NUDGE.

Click for biggie.

See I think that last one has some potential ;) At least, you know, it looks like it's got some spunk. Ready for some action. I think it could handle some work, but we could end up with something big.


(tangent, you know you're a design nerd when you can look at this list and name most of the fonts off the top of your head..)

Okay, yeah, I like #12. It's just cheeky enough to make me smile a bit every time I see it.

Goddammit, I keep forgetting that without Facial, it's mod THEN reply.

Mmmm... design by committee...

Luckily it's just a website logo and not a massive skyscraper.

or the codebase ;)

Well, I'm all in favor of having steele just pick one and put it in place.

which is probably what will eventually happen. I'm just putting a call out for ideas. I'm not yet very graphical inclined. I'm more of the development side.

I don't think it's going to be possible to make a logo everyone likes. Probably the best we can hope for is one that very few people hate.

personally I say we come up with any new font but keep the favicon as our link to the old site.

I bite my thumb at thee, extended!!!

All respect to mechcon, but none of them please. This isn't a wonka bar.

It's a can of coke called Sensible Erection. Only, now it's an Endowment.

My point being that some continuity would be appreciated. I'm still getting weirded out by all the name changes. If you change your name, then SE is still the same to you, but it's not the same for other people. So it becomes a site with a bunch of names I don't recognise, which is the same as going to a new site.

Old stick in the mud mode activated!

My two SEnts: I like the idea of continuity between the new site and the old site, if only for nostalgia's sake. I'm not saying we need to carry the loki font over, but maybe a nod to it?

I was thinking of maybe an "SE" logo in loki, then a new font/design for the actual text. Here's a 2-minute dirty version of what I mean (just to show the layout, not the actual logo or font):



PS: I hope Bleb is close enough to sensibleb that everyone gets the connection. You all called me bleb on 1.0 anyway, so I decided to roll with it.

I'd like something that doesn't look like a corporate logo.

They'll never see us coming ;)

Sensibleendowment Inc, helping people jack of horses since 2014

That's pretty awesome too :D

I think that's a good direction/way to merge old & new.

How does that blue circle to the left look at favicon size?

Unreadable. But then, GE doesn't use their logo for their favicon either.

Yeah, I see that and Procter & Gamble.

I like this one, but I agree it looks corporate. I'm not sure that's a problem. I also liked the one from the original thread with Sensible as it was on OSE, and Erection scratched away, replaced with Endowment in a different font.

I also like the idea of making something new. I also like the top hat idea, but not the willy wonka font. Not fond of purple as a font color.

If SE were a person, I'm pretty sure he'd be a badger with a mustache, wearing a tattered top hat with some cyberpunk google glass in place of a monocle, and I'm pretty sure he'd carry a fine gold pocket watch and hobo's bundle on a stick without embarrassment.

We're diverse and eclectic, and that's hard to represent visually.

Hm, a lazy edit, but I couldn't help making it into a business card really quick. Also hoping I don't screw up the thread, I suck at html.

My thoughts: the old logo and these ones in essence say nothing about the site. They don't set tone and they don't indicate anything about SE that makes it unique. It's just a font, coke can or wonka based whatever. You put any words in and the logo is basically identical. I understand the coke lettering is historical and sentimental, but it's been done so many times by so many different people/lame t shirts, whatever. Why not try and create something which couldn't be for anything other than SE? That actually says something about the site or the people?

I even feel like the avatars are a bit too much using someone else's language and conventions to tell our story, but at the same time I've wanted one for ages so I'm enjoying it :P Anyway my vote is for an actual proper identity for us, not just more appropriation.

so what shall we do till april? :D

I just adblock the avatars, because I don't like them.

As for the rest, I like this idea, and the willy wonka theme wasn't really doing it for me either.

Nice intentions, but how do you (and why would you) 'brand' something which by its nature is anarchic?
Good, thoughtful design certainly has its place (I also have something of a visual/graphic design background btw), but it seems just as appropriate here to just assign every member a letter and then just randomly pick them to spell out 'Sensible Endowment'. Sure the result may be ugly and even illegible but it would reflect the (hopefully) diverse, unruly character of SE. Assuming of course that's what the new SE is destined to be.

Well, I don't think I ever used the word 'brand'. All we seem to be doing at the moment is suggesting how to use other people's brands, and I don't see the point of that. You're talking about something that is what I would actually want to do: create something that reflects the diverse, unruly character of SE. But you're not going to be able to do that by picking one or two fonts and putting the words in. Assigning each letter a different kind of personality or background is an idea worth exploring. Making something with more of a pictorial background that can incorporate what subjects we cover, what jokes we make, whatever. There's plenty to pull inspiration from without settling for appropriation.

I freely admit my effort was slapdash at best. Don't take my ruminations the wrong way, I look forward to whatever you may come up with.

Is it ironic if I don't remember you at all? :P

Maybe. I only joined old SE in 2002.

I'm with you on the name changes.

Sigh. Okay that seems to be a common sentiment. Should I ask steele to change my name back if he's willing?

Ahem. Fuck that.

1) Be called what you want to be called. It's not your job to fit into other people's little boxes. People grow and change and other people should be respectful of that.

2) Our goal is to bring this community back to life and possibly get some new names around. If someone can't handle calling another person by a new name I shudder to think how they'll respond to an actual newbie.

What's in a name?

I'm not telling people to change. Actually, all I've done is suggested people put their old nick in the profile of their new one.

I'm not trying to control people. I don't care what their name is, but I like the consistency.. This site is about people and knowing the user base. I'm looking forward to new people joining. However, with new names and no way of connecting them, it can feel like a bunch of strangers.

Seneschal is spite48. I get that now. However, you told me vikingbiochemist was here 'under a different name', which seemed coy. I was actually trying to find out because otherwise I'd have tried to find a way to make contact.

Fair enough, I was more responding to the idea that someone would feel pressured enough to want to change their name back.

I wasn't being coy, it's not my business to tell. I really shouldn't have even answered the original inquiry. If people want to be someone new and don't want other people to know about it that's their business.

Agreed.

3) Steele has enough shit to do already.

Even though I'm one of the ones complaining about the name changes, I still think people should call themselves whatever the hell they want.

And I agree with lalanda on the wonkaness of this font. SE is a ridiculous place, but I don't think it's 1974 Mad magazine ridiculous.

The name of the font is willywonka.

If this was the graphic, I would cancel my sub.

Then you must know the graphic that would get more to sub! :D

Anthropomorphic penis wearing a top-hat, jacking off it's own penis and whistling?

I think most of us would like something that's safe for work.

The reason I made those Willy Wonka logos is because it's a playful font, but the top hat adds a touch of class. It seems most people don't like the Willy Wonka font, and that's fine. I still think something playful but with a touch of class is the way to go.

Yeah, I was kidding. I don't think a penis logo is appropriate.

I like your ideas - just not a fan of the font.

I like it, without the erection the title this place is a little too sfw.

Also, hate to say it, but I miss the gay skinhead cartoons.

I'm going to try and find those.

I have the old corner art - sent you a link.

Hey, could I get those too? Because reasons.

ok

Not particularly, no. However, I think trying to design something around "playful, with a touch of class" is a recipe for disaster.

Personally, I think it should be simple, iconographic and steer far, far away from any goofy fonts.

Although I'm not of as strong an opinion as you about it, I agree. Goofy + class = neckbeard + fedora.

Which one of those is "class"?

If you go back in time 60 years or so, a suit + full brimmed hat fits right in and looks pretty good.

How about classy with a touch of playfulness/naughtiness/meatballs?

Couldn't you just ad-block it?

Nope. Can't tinker with this work computer and don't have one at home.

Strategically placed duct tape on the screen?

I vote for one header graphic not yet present : black hats and black shadow.

I vote for the posse of asshats !

So a blind guy picks up a piece of matzoh and says "who wrote this shit?"

I nearly went blind spending ten minutes deciphering that.

what's with the p and q? had me thrown off for a bit :(

That's why you should always mind your p's and q's.

Flat braille isn't very useful.

I still like this one best.

sorry commented in the wrong place....

Submitted way back in post #1:


Enhanced w/ 'top hat' by mechanical contrivance:


A little old, a little new, with a splash of spooge. What more could one ask for?

That's the one. I still like it the best.

I'm really not a fan of this one. I don't mind a nod to the old site like Bleb's, but I really don't think the logo should force this site to live in a constant shadow of the old one.

Fair enough. I still think it's clever.

Erection has a starter logo its first year, maybe half year.

Why not have a rotating logo?

¿por qué no todos?

With lazer sounds! Pew pew!

No spinning animated gifs, please. Too 90s.

Rotating flaming skulls over Matrix digital rain.

Endowment

Endo - Inside. Could mean a lot of things. What's inside that matters or at least is what is represented on SE. Close community. Whatever.

Wment - I like these letters highlighted because you could read inclusiveness into them: Typical woman and man, and everyone else can be lumped into a trans* (fuck you azazel for putting this term into my vernacular) category? Whatever--kind of a stretch.

The important part is that the coloring is similar to a stereotypical caucasian penis. Font is rosewood because it didn't look like shit to me. SE is from the days of internet wild west, anyway.

Damn you. Now all I can see is a cock that looks like letters.

Tagline?

Sensible Endo?

#420blazeit

You might want to have a doctor look at your penis.

i like the font/style, just don't get the endo thing, even after explaining

It seriously doesn't matter. I honestly just wanted something vaguely resembling a penis.

It can' be that bad.

I think it has a ring to it.

link in case imgur imbed doesn't work
Anarchy font source
The Battle Continues font source

Feast upon the glory

wait I hate that font, hold on

one more

I like this one the best, though the I can do without the guy in the suit and girls. Feels too much like something a pickup artist would want.

aaaaannnd?

there I cut them off

I like the second one the best, but it's going to need a white background, not grey.

its a transparent PNG, it will look good on any background

Is it Easter already?

just random hex colors applied to the div background

doh

fuck it, thats what I get for trying to be cheeky

If you wanted to be cheeky you could have made it an animated gif where the sensible part starts being parallel with endowment but then progressively increases its angle.

I like this direction. I might drop the exclamation mark on sensible, and like Kyle said the Charlie's Angels threesome should go. Maybe the lettering could be adorned with SE in-jokes? a horse, a bottle of ranch dressing, Jesus raping an Iraqi child (thank you tamp), orang humping the E, etc.

I think the trio says "We are sexy bitches!"

Empirical evidence to the contrary.

PS: <3
PPS: But srsly, we're a hairy bunch

This website is certified family friendly in the sense that one or more naked people are usually involved in creating a family.

The header graphic should have zazz.

How many pieces of flair should it have?

Let's just say that any white space is wasted pixels and potential.

Some people would argue that flashing pixels are wasted space half the time. Those people are wrong.

Sensible Endowment

Well, that didn't work.

There, that's my submission.

I love where you're going with this, and since we're on the same page here, try this on for size: we use the same sequence of letters and spacing you've proposed, but each character is an image randomly taken from a Google image search for that letter! Throw some sparkle .gifs overlaying the whole shebang, an epilepsy disclaimer in fine print, and whiz bam, we got ourselves a real nice how do you do for the newcomers!

Can you make it blink?

Can you make it wink?

blink tag doesn't work in current versions of IE or FF or Opera.

Thankfully, freedom-loving addon developers are fighting back against this injustice!

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/blink-enable/

http://www.chromeextensions.org/appearance-functioning/retro-blink/

Needs more zazz

Hmm, does redyelly still work?

Yay!

These are the same size as the current logo. I can make them bigger if anyone likes them. They include one top hat and one letter of the same font as the old SE logo.

A million times no. No tophats, no pseudo comic sans, no goofy fonts period.

You haven't posted your design yet.

If it can't be done with Helvetica (or Helvetica Bold), it's no use even trying.

What's wrong with the old logo? A week before the old SE site went down, everyone there would have sang the praises of the old site having weathered the passing of time. It was a mark of pride that it was the same old site it was since the long before time. Now it's like a free-for all... suddenly now that the power is there to screw around with the site it's like a fire sale. Either this is still SE or it isn't. If it isn't... well, why bother?

Its like that Tracey Ulman sketch where noveu riche russian plutocrats sequester themselves in a small closet and reminisce about the good ol days where they boiled shoes for warmth and sustenance. In that case they are not nostalgic about the State and how it functioned but the people who they were because of the states dysfunction.

Any kudos and gladhanding about the old sites longevity wouldn't be so much about the site it self but the people who helped keep it going, through content and discussion. You're a part of that as well, and in all honesty bring more value than the old logo.

While I can understand where you're coming from, I have to point out that those people singing praises would be the same reason they had no where to go when the site finally did die. Because it wasn't "everyone." There had been many people over the years, myself included, who were constantly trying to point out the folly of sticking with an abandoned, unreliable site.

You were on a sinking ship that weathered the passing of time only in the sense that it hadn't gone completely under yet. Here's a new ship based on the same blueprints. Sure, it still has a couple of holes to fix, but for the most part has people that want to take care of it, give it a fresh coat of paint, and replace some of the more obvious design flaws. I mean really, who the hell puts a toilet where no one can watch you pee?

Is SE the ship or the crew to you? If it's the ship, well, that's probably dead for good. But, if it's the people, here's your chance to have a more reliable ship for what I hope will bring you many more great adventures.

As long as the ship has a poop deck and a dingy, it's home.

You still have to jack off a seahorse.

The logo isn't the ship. If the Rolling Stones hit the ditch in a broken tour van that finally broke the last axle it was spinning on, would they not still be the Rolling Stones? Or would you take a minor technical breakdown as an excuse to wipe the slate clean and start over? Give them all tophats and penguin suits and change the name to "The Tumbling Stones"?

The band didn't break down, the bus did. So now we're decorating the new bus with a kickass new mural. Or, a new flag for a new ship. Whichever metaphor you prefer.

Tweaked it a bit.

This is perfect, I love this as out new logo!

Sure, okay, so let's complete the analogy. Let's say that Mick owns the rights to use the name "The Rolling Stones" and you've got "The Rolling Stones" painted on the old tour van. The van hits the ditch and Mick dies. Nobody can contact his estate right away, and the band decides to paint the new van with the name "The Rolling Stones", and continues touring under that name. The estate finds out, sees easy money and sues.

I'll bet Keef didn't even get hurt.

Is Marck dead? Is that what happened?

And in either case, we're talking about a logo that drags Coca Cola's image through the gutter. I don't think there can BE a legal fight over it, at least not one anyone who wants it could even remotely afford.

Sure, that's a factor. Why ask Steele to personally take that risk?

Nice analogy. Emphasis on the anal.

[insert famous The Big Lebowski quote]

Well, for one thing, the old logo doesn't belong to us. It belongs to whomever owns or buys the rights to the old site - even if that site is down. The code itself may be public domain, and the users can go where they want, but the old logo isn't actually ours to use.

There are other reasons as well which have been stated by others.

I don't give a fuck about the logo. It's just a useless piece of decoration up in the corner that I'll stop noticing in a week or two once the new wears off.

A week before the old site went down, I was surprised and relieved in equal measure every day that the creaking heap of half broken abandonware still worked. My pride in the old SE had nothing to do with the code and everything with the community for continuing to soldier on, diminished in number but still strong in its core, through years of rot and neglect.

To me SE is the people; the website is just the place where we hang out. If the new landlord wants to slap on a new coat of paint and put a nice potted plant on the windowsill next to the Fleshlight, why would I complain?

I'm liking all the activity here :)

I am failing left and right on the inline css, omfg.

one last and final try

something in the POST action of the submit form is stripping out my CSS attribute 'background'... WTH

better?

That's it. That's the album cover.

Now I know why we're here.

That is the best thing ever.

here.

Does it matter that endowment is spelled wrong?

Spelling. Pffff.
I am Endowman!

Is it sensible facial which is placing the Sensible Erection logo at the top of the page?

Must be, because I don't have sensible facial or the logo.

Found this throught google search, its located on this site, just didnt see it here (yet)

i like it