Monday, 15 April 2019

Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

quote [ A fire has broken out at the famous Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris and has spread rapidly across the building. ]

Well this is unfortunate. It had construction work going on due to foundation concerns.
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[by biblebeltdrunk@6:10pmGMT]

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knumbknutz said @ 10:06pm GMT on 15th Apr [Score:1 Funny]
biblebeltdrunk said @ 10:16pm GMT on 15th Apr
I was wondering if people were going to start spewing conspiracys on twitter due to how similar the footage felt, i'm not surprised this triggered it tbh.
the circus said @ 1:15am GMT on 16th Apr [Score:1 Hot Pr0n]
I hear they're not sure what caused it, but Quasimodo has a hunch.
snowfox said @ 7:16am GMT on 16th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
Meh. We'll rebuild it. The idea of Notre Dame is much stronger than Notre Dame itself, so even if it has new parts, I don't think it loses any symbolic power. As for the history, the building is very well-documented. If only every piece of human history that got destroyed was so well-preserved in the form of data. Is it sad to lose the actual artifact? Perhaps. But do we keep artifacts just to have an old thing, or to have information and links to the past? If an object is destroyed but we have its history and 3D scans of it, we haven't lost that link. The idea is what's important, not the object.
Dienes said @ 12:28pm GMT on 16th Apr
They've already replaced and renovated its parts so many other times - what's one more?
Ankylosaur said @ 12:35pm GMT on 16th Apr
From Wikipedia:
It is believed that before the period of Christianity in France, a Gallo-Roman temple dedicated to Jupiter stood on the site of Notre-Dame. Evidence for this is the Pillar of the Boatmen, discovered in 1710. This building was replaced with an Early Christian basilica. It is unknown whether this church, dedicated to Saint Stephen, was constructed in the late 4th century and remodeled later, or if it was built in the 7th century from an older church, possibly the cathedral of Childebert I.[b] The basilica, later cathedral, of Saint-Étienne [fr] was situated about 40 metres (130 ft) west of Notre-Dame's location and was wider and lower and roughly half its size. For its time, it was very large—70 metres (230 ft) long—and separated into nave and four aisles by marble columns, then decorated with mosaics.[8][12]

A baptistery, the Church of John the Baptist [fr], built before 452, was located on the north side of the church of Saint-Étienne until the work of Jacques-Germain Soufflot in the 18th century.[13] Four churches succeeded the Roman temple before Notre-Dame. The first was the 4th century basilica of Saint-Etienne, then the Merovingian renovation of that church which was in turn remodeled in 857 under the Carolingians into a cathedral.[14] The last church before the cathedral of Notre-Dame was a Romanesque remodeling of the prior structures that, although enlarged and remodeled, was found to be unfit for the growing population of Paris.[15][c]

In 1160, the Bishop of Paris, Maurice de Sully,[13] decided to build a new and much larger church. He summarily demolished the Romanesque cathedral and chose to recycle its materials.[15] Sully decided that the new church should be built in the new Gothic style, as by then a number of large Gothic cathedrals had already been raised elsewhere in France.[12]


Nothing is permanent. Just demolish it and use the rock to build a new one, maybe dedicated to Jupiter again.
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:15pm GMT on 16th Apr
I wonder if that's why the actor in the morality play played Jupiter.
C18H27NO3 said @ 8:31pm GMT on 16th Apr
I know you might not think it's an apt comparison or analogy, but would you say the same thing about the gutenberg bible? Or do you feel the same when you go see handprints on a cave wall that were produced in 1990, emulating ones from a couple of thousand years ago?

I dunno. I'm not so fleeting with certain shit. Once I see a site was renovated or re-created, I just don't give a shit. It's like a cheap discovery museum exhibit. May as well just look at pictures. But in the end that's what everything will boil down to as nothing is permanent. As Spock might say : "it would be illogical to assume everything will remain constant."
snowfox said @ 3:24am GMT on 17th Apr
Yeah. Eventually we are all just going to take 3D digital tours from own homes. The value is in the education, not in the novelty.
JWWargo said @ 4:33pm GMT on 16th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
I went inside Notre Dame a few years ago. The line to get in was worse than the line at the Eiffel Tower bathroom. Once inside there was some great art in there, but I was thrown by all the trinkets for sale. Started thinking "WWJD?" and that story about him and the moneylenders in the temple. It felt like a tourist trap and I couldn't enjoy being there. I bought a rosary for my mother.
Bruceski said @ 10:54pm GMT on 15th Apr
Disney's going a bit too far for their live-action Hunchback movie.

Alternately, "I had a little trouble with the fireplace".
dolemite said @ 5:02pm GMT on 16th Apr
Naw, this totally sets up the sequel "Hunchback 2: With a Vengeance..."
Dienes said @ 1:16am GMT on 16th Apr
Hugh E. said @ 2:31am GMT on 16th Apr
The destruction* of Western Culture has been an emerging theme among the rightwing and white nationalist in the wake of this. Just something to watch for.

*ongoing implied
rhesusmonkey said @ 3:41am GMT on 16th Apr
Clearly the War on Christmas (tm) wasn't generating enough eyeball traffic anymore, so now they need a War on Easter (tm) too.

Shame about that building, but compared to the destruction in Mali and elsewhere, i feel that this at least has a reasonable, if not expensive, possibility to be restored, given most of the interior structure is masonry.

But, molten lead... Who knows how much interior damage there really is.
Hugh E. said @ 3:53am GMT on 16th Apr
'Stuff happens'
- Donald Rumsfeld, Apr. 12, 2003
JWWargo said @ 5:08pm GMT on 16th Apr
Have you seen Happy!, a series on the SyFy network? The first season was Christmas themed, second is Easter.

0000 said @ 11:26am GMT on 21st Apr

Re:
"Now they need a War on Easter (tm)."
Rest assured they have it - "More than 150 people killed in Easter Sunday attacks"
(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-explosions-what-we-know-so-far)

rhesusmonkey said @ 5:29am GMT on 22nd Apr [Score:-1]
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