Monday, 7 January 2019

What Happened When A Trump Supporter Challenged Me About the Wall

quote [ A conservative challenged liberal Facebook friends to “make a case, not based on emotion” against Trump’s wall. ]

You'll never guess how this ends. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

The short version of the argument I like: Have you ever seen a map of Texas? Do you know why the border with Mexico looks the way it does?
[SFW] [politics] [+5 Funny]
[by hellboy@11:39amGMT]


Hugh E. said @ 1:23pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:2]
did the eggheads at this elite so-called institution i never heard of use there college degrees to find out about the illegal who raped and killed a woman, a American, after he smoked drugs and then hid out in San Francisco where he got free food and a free place to stay FROM MY TAX DOLLARS??? Because that's why we need to build the wall. I don't see mexicans where I live and I don't intend to.

Besides when Obama wanted to build a 50 foot wall all along the boarder the dems loved the idea.
TM said @ 9:21pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:2 Underrated]
I'm going to make an assumption here, and I hope I'm correct.

My assumption: Hugh E. is writing satirically, as if echoing the thoughts of a Trump supporter. (We Americans have difficulty recognizing satire, especially in writing.)

Right? Wrong? Answer unclear, ask again later?
Hugh E. said[1] @ 9:40pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:1 Funny]

I have been on this sight for over a decade (including SEv1.0, same handle) and it's like you people don't even know me!

I used the phrase "smoking drugs" (who says that?). I went through the pain, actual physical/emotional pain, of typing "there" for "their" to make the point. "mexican" consistently not capitalized. Do you think I am so stupid as to spell it "rapests"? That hurts. That really hurts guys.

Honestly, I thought I was being heavy-handed. Poe's Law should not be a way of life.


ETA: And how could people not get the "boarder" reference? This was quality material, folks.
arrowhen said @ 10:26pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:4 Insightful]
The problem was it was too accurate; it could have been literally copy/pasted out of the comment section of pretty much any American news website that still has a comment section. In fact, my first thought was that you HAD copied it out of a comment section somewhere and just forgot to put in a link or put quotes around it.

The trick with satire is that you have to get the voice right but ramp up the absurdity a bit to drive home the point. Maybe you could have finished with a bit about how illegals are taking jobs away from honest, hard-working American rapeists, or something.
Hugh E. said @ 10:57pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
Fair enough. But, again, DO YOU NOT KNOW ME? (OK, maybe you don't and I should comment and post more*)

Also, it was both satire and a comment on why the main article met with silence. And it was funny. Let's not forget that part. It was funny.
Maybe you could have finished with a bit about how illegals are taking jobs away from honest, hard-working American rapeists, or something.
What am I, Matt Stone & Trey Parker? No, my fists are not made of ham, thank you very much.

*See, I'm capable of self-criticism and introspection like a good lefty
arrowhen said @ 12:28am GMT on 8th Jan
I thought it seemed wildly out of character for you, but then because I'm fucking terrible with names I thought maybe I was confusing you with someone else.

But yes, posting and commenting more is always the right answer!
knumbknutz said @ 10:28pm GMT on 7th Jan
Heh - I was going to IM you and tell you to make sure your computer was logged off when you left the room, because it looked like your B.I.L. woke up from last weeks drunken new years binge, and started posting under your name.
lilmookieesquire said @ 2:01am GMT on 8th Jan
Who loves you baby? <3>
coldhotel said @ 3:41am GMT on 9th Jan
This is almost a verbatim account of one of my mother-in-laws arguments. It's uncanny. Or she reads sensible endowment.
Hugh E. said @ 5:21am GMT on 9th Jan
If you showed her the linked article, do you think it would change her mind?
steele said @ 9:30pm GMT on 7th Jan
I thought that with the first comment, by the second comment I didn't care. We have enough supporters of Trump's stupidity on this site, we don't need pretend ones to add to their numbers.
Hugh E. said[1] @ 9:49pm GMT on 7th Jan
The point was to evince why the logical, fact-based breakdown in the article has been ineffective. Support for the wall is racist, emotional, and partisan game playing. Fortunately, most Americans are smarter than that.

There's hope out there.

ETA: "add to their numbers" I see what you did there.
steele said @ 9:08pm GMT on 8th Jan
bbqkink said @ 11:49pm GMT on 7th Jan
I see you still don't get value of mockery.
steele said[1] @ 12:49am GMT on 8th Jan
You mean dehumanization.

Edit: Also, bullying.
bbqkink said @ 1:02am GMT on 8th Jan
No I mean Mockery. Hugh E. was making fun of the idiotic lunatic fringe and did so well that you supposedly thought he was Fish.

Dehumanization is what you do by downvoting and censoring comments and people you disagree with....If these people are so revolting that you have to make their comments disappear and they do it so regular. Why do you let them stay in the community?
steele said[1] @ 1:06am GMT on 8th Jan
The rest of the comment is shit, but you end on an excellent question.
bbqkink said @ 1:18am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:2]
You said I was a bigger pain in the ass than they were so if that is threat do it and let everyone here know who and what you are. I seen you as a savior of the very best place on the net for people to disagree and be heard....maybe you are not.
steele said[1] @ 1:23am GMT on 8th Jan
bbq has been banned for this comment. :D
lilmookieesquire said[2] @ 2:12am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:1 Funsightful]
And... *STAMP*

lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 2:28am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
lilmookieesquire said @ 2:03am GMT on 8th Jan
Three Amigos always get our man.

arrowhen said @ 3:50am GMT on 8th Jan

See me after class.
steele said[1] @ 3:51am GMT on 8th Jan
ooh, spicy. also, please don't call people the n-word.
arrowhen said @ 4:17am GMT on 8th Jan
We can't say "ninjas" anymore?

What is it now, "martial-arts-enthusiast-Americans?"
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:18am GMT on 8th Jan
I’m 1/4 weeaboo and my sensitivities need to be protected.
steele said @ 4:25am GMT on 8th Jan
steele said @ 1:05pm GMT on 8th Jan
Alright, you're unbanned now. Was it everything you wanted it to be?
arrowhen said @ 9:39pm GMT on 7th Jan
He probably just forgot to log out before he let his racist uncle use his computer. It happens all the time.
lilmookieesquire said @ 5:36pm GMT on 7th Jan
If you wanna personally pony up about 31 billion in wall money, be my guest.
Hugh E. said @ 8:38pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:1]
Do I look like a mexican? They are the ones responsible for all the rapests and drug dealers here. They can be responsible for paying for the wall.
rylex said @ 8:42pm GMT on 7th Jan
Post a pic bro. What do you look like?
arrowhen said @ 8:58pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
He can't, an illegal smoked drugs and stole his camera.
Hugh E. said @ 9:41pm GMT on 7th Jan
True. Friggin. Story.
WeiYang said @ 10:16pm GMT on 7th Jan
Would you feel better about it if she'd had those crimes done by a citizen from the next town?
arrowhen said @ 10:28pm GMT on 7th Jan
Think globally, rape and murder locally!
Hugh E. said @ 10:38pm GMT on 7th Jan
sigh... Sorry, I'm not playing anymore.

But maybe let's think about this: Is it worth it to earnestly engage someone who would write such crap? What would you say to change that person's mind?

Further, more to this particular instance and in a broader sense, is it not worth digging deeper and finding out why a person would feel and speak this way? I think it is. When dirty, disheveled, deranged person on the street shouts at me, do I shout back or do I think a little about how we as a society have failed our fellow humans? I'm going with the latter.

I don't mean this in the Cletus Safari sense that the NYT et al. are so fond of. You don't cure measles by hugging the person with measles. You study the disease and develop an inoculation. This will take generations and lots of work and it will never be fully eradicated, but we need to work toward fixing America so that Trumpism never infects our nation again.
milkman666 said @ 5:29am GMT on 9th Jan
Hugh E. said @ 6:17am GMT on 9th Jan
Interesting article. Not exactly sure how it relates, but thanks for the read.
milkman666 said @ 4:06pm GMT on 9th Jan
Disinformation. Democracy depends heavily on the quality of its citizens, and a part of it is being able to discern reality and make sensible choices. Fox news is a vector for disinformation. So is facebook. A rather grey generation is especially vulnerable to it. That leads to the kind of caricature you were trying to make. So not only do you have to be concerned with deprogramming people who start to fall for the Qanon cult, but you should be on the lookout to prevent such outbreaks to begin with.
0000 said @ 4:21pm GMT on 9th Jan [Score:-2 Boring]
filtered comment under your threshold
rylex said @ 11:02pm GMT on 7th Jan
I was hoping he would post a pic of fish
bbqkink said[2] @ 11:54pm GMT on 7th Jan [Score:-1]
filtered comment under your threshold
0000 said[1] @ 12:25am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:-2]
filtered comment under your threshold
bbqkink said @ 12:47am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:1 Sad]
I think that is the second time I upvoted one of your comments still feel creepy..but when you're right you're right. I was going to use our last conversation as an example. we honestly disagreed and out came the downvotes....It's not like I think you don't troll, you do but not always...not Fish, Fuck fish he is a troll.
lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 1:50am GMT on 8th Jan
steele said @ 1:55am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
Your link is messed up. I fixed it for you.
rylex said @ 8:42pm GMT on 7th Jan
Fucking shit...

If you are going to pretend to be better/smarter than someone else for whatever stupid reason, can you at least make a god damn effort to use correct grammar and spelling?

Also, the wall is pointless. If you need a perfect example, berlin wall. Totally worked right?
ComposerNate said @ 2:43pm GMT on 7th Jan
Let's all hope Republican bosses each get their four walls and a roof. There can be no other way forward, this and the rest are noise.
hellboy said @ 4:20pm GMT on 7th Jan
Three hots and a cot?
Dienes said @ 7:52pm GMT on 7th Jan
But absolutely no thots.
arrowhen said @ 8:29pm GMT on 7th Jan
u wot?
Spleentwentythree said @ 11:46pm GMT on 7th Jan
I think the whole mall along the border thing could be a pretty good idea, you just go there, step through the doors to cross the border to affordable medication and dental work. Plus it can create employment for a number of mexicans right in their own country. It's such a good idea i don't see why the mexican government won't agree to pay for it.

Wait, wall? Oh that's just fucked up.

Hugh E. said @ 12:34am GMT on 8th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
We already have a mall south of the border. It is a big, beautiful, artistically designed mall.
arrowhen said @ 3:47am GMT on 8th Jan
That sombrero Space Needle is a masterpiece of understated elegance.
bbqkink said @ 12:43am GMT on 8th Jan
Was going to make this a post by itself but it will fit in here nicely.

Prime Time Lies

Donald J. Trump


I am pleased to inform you that I will Address the Nation on the Humanitarian and National Security crisis on our Southern Border. Tuesday night at 9:00 P.M. Eastern.

Trump has to find a way out of this shutdown and he can't capitulate to the common sense that the wall is a stupid, useless, and expensive boondoggle. That would kill him with his racist base, a fact he was reminded of by the right wing media crazies just recently.

He knows Congress will never give him any money for a wall son he has a new plan...he is going to declare a national emergency even though there isn't one..

There is no Caravan and news that broke today let us know that..

CBP stopped only 6 immigrants listed in terrorism database at US-Mexico border in the first half of 2018

6 freakin 6 people not only that NO ONE was crested just 6 people on the watch list all of which were let go..6

But since when do facts mater. Or the law for that mater....

Can President Trump Fund the Wall By Declaring a National Emergency?

It is still up in the air if the Broadcast networks will carry this...

They refused cover Obama's but it looks like they will cover this shit show.

To air or not to air: Networks face pressure over broadcasting Trump's immigration address
NBC, ABC, and CBS, which have not had a consistent policy when it comes to airing presidential addresses on immigration, will air Trump's speech.

They should do a split screen with a fact checker or stop calling themselves news....might want to use this post for cross reference...
ethanos said @ 8:09pm GMT on 8th Jan
I'm going to jump into the middle of this argument because i can.

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