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Wednesday, 15 March 2017
quote [ In this session, Raph Koster (Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc.) talks about the social and ethical implications of turning the real world into a virtual world, and how the lessons of massively multiplayer virtual worlds are more relevant than ever. ]
It's an hour long talk, but well worth listening to the whole thing if you are at all interested in virtual communities (including this one).
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steele said @ 12:00am GMT on 29th April
Finally gave it a watch! Worth the hour. Thanks midden. He talks a lot about what I've been ranting and getting shit on here for years now. And he's mostly right.
There's a couple of double edged swords though, in order to create the safe spaces he describes are necessary the company getting all that data becomes even more powerful. The companies he describe as saying "What ethical implications?" becomes even more powerful and dangerous... for safety. It's a virtual version of how much freedom are you willing to give up to feel safe.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that giving all that data to companies like facebook who have the processing power to use it (and quite literally shape the world) is more dangerous than the possible interaction that could occur from some creep online... but I'm also a guy. But then, if we're going to get sexist, the argument kind of becomes how much does a woman need to be protected compared to the amount of power we give the company running things, and who protects the woman from that company? And yeah, it's stuff I think about on managing SE, as well.
But overall the guy is pretty on point about it all essentially becoming community management because that's exactly facebook is doing and that's basically how Trump won the election. Bleagh.
Thoughts, Dienes? Did you get to watch the whole thing?
steele said @ 12:01am GMT on 29th April
Finally gave it a watch! Worth the hour. Thanks midden. He talks a lot about what I've been ranting and getting shit on here for years now. And he's mostly right.
There's a couple of double edged swords though, in order to create the safe spaces he describes are necessary, the company getting all that data becomes even more powerful. The companies he describe as saying "What ethical implications?" becomes even more powerful and dangerous... for safety. It's a virtual version of how much freedom are you willing to give up to feel safe.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that giving all that data to companies like facebook who have the processing power to use it (and quite literally shape the world) is more dangerous than the possible interaction that could occur from some creep online... but I'm also a guy. But then, if we're going to get sexist, the argument kind of becomes how much does a woman need to be protected compared to the amount of power we give the company running things, and who protects the woman from that company? And yeah, it's stuff I think about on managing SE, as well.
But overall the guy is pretty on point about it all essentially becoming community management because that's exactly what facebook is doing and that's basically how Trump won the election. Bleagh.
Thoughts, Dienes? Did you get to watch the whole thing?
steele said @ 12:02am GMT on 29th April
Finally gave it a watch! Worth the hour. Thanks midden. He talks a lot about what I've been ranting and getting shit on here for years now. And he's mostly right.
There's a couple of double edged swords though, in order to create the safe spaces he describes are necessary, the company getting all that data becomes even more powerful. The companies he describe as saying "What ethical implications?" becomes even more powerful and dangerous... for safety. It's a virtual version of how much freedom are you willing to give up to feel safe.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that giving all that data to companies like facebook who have the processing power to use it (and quite literally shape the world) is more dangerous than the possible interaction that could occur from some creep online... but I'm also a guy. But then, if we're going to get sexist, the argument kind of becomes how much does a woman need to be protected compared to the amount of power we give the company running things, and who protects the woman from that company? And yeah, it's stuff I think about on managing SE, as well.
But overall the guy is pretty on point about it all essentially becoming community management because that's exactly what facebook is doing and that's basically how Trump won the election. Bleagh.
Thoughts, Dienes? Did you get to watch the whole thing?
The reading list:
My Tiny Life, Julian Dibbell
"A Declaration of the Rights of Players," Raph Koster
Designing Virtual Worlds, Richard Bartle
The Lessons of LucasFilm's Habitat, Chip Morningstar & Randy Farmer
The Proteus Effect, Nick Yee
Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge
For the Win, Cory Doctorow
Halting State, Charles Stross
metaverseroadmap.org
Life on the screen
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steele said @ 12:00am GMT on 29th April
Finally gave it a watch! Worth the hour. Thanks midden. He talks a lot about what I've been ranting and getting shit on here for years now. And he's mostly right.
There's a couple of double edged swords though, in order to create the safe spaces he describes are necessary, the company getting all that data becomes even more powerful. The companies he describe as saying "What ethical implications?" becomes even more powerful and dangerous... for safety. It's a virtual version of how much freedom are you willing to give up to feel safe.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that giving all that data to companies like facebook who have the processing power to use it (and quite literally shape the world) is more dangerous than the possible interaction that could occur from some creep online... but I'm also a guy. But then, if we're going to get sexist, the argument kind of becomes how much does a woman need to be protected compared to the amount of power we give the company running things, and who protects the woman from that company? And yeah, it's stuff I think about on managing SE, as well.
But overall the guy is pretty on point about it all essentially becoming community management because that's exactly what facebook is doing and that's basically how Trump won the election. Bleagh.
Thoughts, Dienes? Did you get to watch the whole thing?
The reading list:
My Tiny Life, Julian Dibbell
"A Declaration of the Rights of Players," Raph Koster
Designing Virtual Worlds, Richard Bartle
The Lessons of LucasFilm's Habitat, Chip Morningstar & Randy Farmer
The Proteus Effect, Nick Yee
Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge
For the Win, Cory Doctorow
Halting State, Charles Stross
metaverseroadmap.org
Life on the screen
