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Sunday, 1 October 2017
quote [ Police violence condemned around Europe as Catalans vote in independence referendum ]
Shit really hit the fan in Barcelona during the ‘illegal’ referendum for Catalan independence. Catalan police and firefighters protecting voters against Spanish police who try to stop the voting at all costs. Even with the referendum being made illegal, the Spanish government should do good stopping the excessive aggression against the Catalan people.
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spazm said @ 5:50pm GMT on 1st October
Yeah, Spain is really afraid, and not without reason in terms of economy and such. The thing is, they have just recently come to an agreement (sort of, at least) with Basque ETA who were a lot more aggressive about separating, while the Catalans were relatively mild, until not too long ago. The way the Spanish government is acting now will only strengthen the Catalan’s wish to separate. Also most Spaniards and perhaps the Catalans still have the regime of Franco fresh in mind, and the current situation makes them fear for similar times (although I don’t think it’ll go that fast).
It’s insane that the Catalan police and firefighters are protecting civilians against the Guardia Civil. I wonder how the rest of Europe will react to this.
spazm said @ 5:51pm GMT on 1st October
Yeah, Spain is really afraid, and not without reason in terms of economy and such. The thing is, they have just recently come to an agreement (sort of, at least) with Basque ETA who were a lot more aggressive about separating, while the Catalans were relatively mild, until not too long ago. The way the Spanish government is acting now will only strengthen the Catalan’s wish to separate. Also most Spanish people and perhaps the Catalans still have the regime of Franco fresh in mind, and the current situation makes them fear for similar times (although I don’t think it’ll go that fast).
It’s insane that the Catalan police and firefighters are protecting civilians against the Guardia Civil. I wonder how the rest of Europe will react to this.
spazm said @ 5:54pm GMT on 1st October
Yeah, Spain is really afraid, and not without reason in terms of economy and such. The thing is, they have just recently come to an agreement (sort of, at least) with Basque ETA who were a lot more aggressive about separating, while the Catalans were relatively mild, until not too long ago. The way the Spanish government is acting now will only strengthen the Catalan’s wish to separate. Also most Spanish people, and perhaps the Catalans even more so, still have the regime of Franco fresh in mind, and the current situation makes them fear for similar times (although I don’t think it’ll go that fast).
It’s insane that the Catalan police and firefighters are protecting civilians against the Guardia Civil. I wonder how the rest of Europe will react to this.
spazm said @ 5:55pm GMT on 1st October
Yeah, Spain is really afraid, and not without reason in terms of economy and such. The thing is, they have just recently come to an agreement (sort of, at least) with Basque ETA who were a lot more aggressive about separating, while the Catalans were relatively mild, until not too long ago. The way the Spanish government is acting now will only strengthen the Catalan’s wish to separate. Also most Spanish people, and perhaps the Catalans even more so, still have the regime of Franco fresh in mind, and the current situation makes them fear for similar times (although I don’t think it’ll go that fast).
It’s insane that the Catalan police and firefighters have to protect civilians against the Guardia Civil (also very noble imho). I wonder how the rest of Europe will react to this.
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spazm said @ 5:50pm GMT on 1st October
Yeah, Spain is really afraid, and not without reason in terms of economy and such. The thing is, they have just recently come to an agreement (sort of, at least) with Basque ETA who were a lot more aggressive about separating, while the Catalans were relatively mild, until not too long ago. The way the Spanish government is acting now will only strengthen the Catalan’s wish to separate. Also most Spanish people, and perhaps the Catalans even more so, still have the regime of Franco fresh in mind, and the current situation makes them fear for similar times (although I don’t think it’ll go that fast).
It’s insane that the Catalan police and firefighters have to protect civilians against the Guardia Civil (also very noble imho). I wonder how the rest of Europe will react to this.
