Friday, 21 October 2016

Green Party Candidate Jill Stein Rips John Oliver's 'Deceptive Attack'

quote [ The Jill Stein campaign hit back at John Oliver after he questioned the plausibility of the Green Party's promise to cancel student debt. ]

Tim Canova posted this in his Facebook page: Well before I ever ran for public office, I was studying and writing about central banking and monetary policy. In 2011, Bernie Sanders appointed me to a Senate advisory panel on Federal Reserve reform. Jill Stein is right and John Oliver is wrong. The Fed already has ample discretionary authority to address the student debt crisis, certainly to drive down interest rates on student loans. And after more than $3 trillion of QE programs for Wall Street, it's past time for QEs for Main Street and MLK Street, USA. A new president with a new Congress could also direct the Fed through legislative enactment to implement such programs, as it did in the 1930s and 1940s. And as Jill Stein's spokesperson also points out, there are other ways to pay for student debt relief programs, but perhaps Oliver is equally ignorant of such fiscal policies as the G.I. Bill after WWII
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[by raphael_the_turtle@12:20pmGMT]

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bbqkink said[1] @ 1:36pm GMT on 21st Oct
I see she still doesn't understand how any of this works.

"But perhaps Oliver is equally ignorant of such fiscal policies as the G.I. Bill after WWII"

Somebody should tell them that it wasn't just after WWII . I went to school under the same bill, it has changed but is still being used to day. I also didn't pay tuition because of the Illinois scholarship program that payed tuition for any in state school.

The GI bill payed you a salary to go to school, I still don't think they understand how any of this works.
vintuk said @ 2:02pm GMT on 21st Oct
Sure I would love to see my student loan debt forgiven but it just isn't gonna happen the way she says.

waaaaa.... someone called me out on my stupid student loan plan.
bbqkink said @ 3:04pm GMT on 21st Oct
And printing money isn't exactly paying for it. Taking it out of the general fund means something else gets cut. Raising taxes will pay for it but tell me whose taxes gets raised and by how much.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 4:24pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
One thing that would help is more oversight of where we're sending federal loans. Shutting down scholarships to ITT and Phoenix is a good start. We could probably get a shit-ton more college grads (also known as more hireable and better potential taxpayers) if gov't funding of college was restricted to places where, say, half the budget didn't go to administration and/or football, the program wouldn't be so costly and some universities might have to decide if they're there to educate people or pay people in suits to run sportsball programs.
bbqkink said[2] @ 4:27pm GMT on 21st Oct
Wasn't there suppose to be a list from the Obama administration due some time ago?

Found this...
College Scorecard




Fact Sheet: Empowering Students to Choose the College that is Right for Them

raphael_the_turtle said @ 9:16pm GMT on 21st Oct
So you're saying Canova doesn't understand how any of this works? Just making sure before I add another to the list of people you know better than.
bbqkink said[6] @ 9:48pm GMT on 21st Oct
The Fed already has ample discretionary authority to address the student debt crisis

Well he did post this...and it is way wrong..so ya.

" certainly to drive down interest rates on student loans."

Those are set by congress not the Fed. and the prime rate couldn't get much lower.

"Congress sets interest rates on Direct Loans from the U.S. Department of Education through legislation that ties the rate to financial markets. Your student loan servicer does not set your student loan interest rate and cannot change it. Plus, all the interest you pay on U.S. Department of Education loans is deposited into the U.S. Treasury."

How Student Loan Interest Works

And right now the US is making a bunch on interest.

Federal Discount Rate 1.00

Federal discount rate

Direct Subsidized Loans Undergraduate 3.76%

What are the interest rates for federal student loans?

This is how it is done in the real world....you change congress...not tell a non political bank how to handle monetary policy


GOP blocks Warren's student loan plan

you vote for somebody who can get elected not whine about imaginary candidates who don't even understand the problem let alone have a way to fix it.
bbqkink said @ 11:06pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:-1 Unworthy Self Link]
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bbqkink said @ 11:29pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:-2 Troll]
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Bob Denver said @ 12:17am GMT on 22nd Oct [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said @ 12:23am GMT on 22nd Oct [Score:0 WTF]
Bob Denver said @ 12:39am GMT on 22nd Oct [Score:0 Funny]
'Trumpette' is awfully close to the French word for 'dip' (something you immerse a chip in). There's a poetic symmetry there.
arrowhen said @ 4:18am GMT on 22nd Oct
LurkerAtTheGate said[1] @ 1:38pm GMT on 21st Oct
"A new president with a new Congress could" Well, shit in one hand...
sanepride said @ 2:30pm GMT on 21st Oct
No doubt the next herd of cats will fall right in line...
sanepride said @ 2:23pm GMT on 21st Oct
The full John Oliver sequence:
Third Parties: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)


But since Jill is currently polling at around 2.5% it seems like a moot point to attack her proposals. Stick around for Oliver's merciless take-down of Gary Johnson (polling at around 6%).
Interestingly, the alternative candidate who actually has the best chance of becoming President is Evan McMullin.


ComposerNate said @ 3:04pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
That's a 2.5% sack dragging against Clinton's campaign.
bbqkink said[1] @ 3:14pm GMT on 21st Oct
still willing to bet that the Greens get the same amount they always get..within .5 a point of 1..no more than 1.5 no less than .5

The real question is will the Libertarians get above 2.. I doubt it. A lot of never Trump Republicans went there but I doubt will pull the trigger when it comes time to vote.
Evan McMullin is the real story here. He might get some electoral votes something no one in a third party has been able to do in a long time.

Ross Perot didn't get any...as far as I can tell it was William Howard Taft.
sanepride said @ 3:28pm GMT on 21st Oct
At this point Clinton's lead- especially in swing states- is comfortable enough that it really doesn't matter, plus the fact that Stein will have absolutely no effect on the Electoral College- where the race is actually won.

Bigger deal now is the Senate. Intransigent Stein supporters would be well advised to consider voting for the Democratic Senate candidate where applicable, even if you don't happen to like them very much. A Senate majority would be a huge boost to the most progressive wing of the Democratic party.
bbqkink said @ 3:34pm GMT on 21st Oct
Ya here is where my partisanship really shows. I hope that Trump has discouraged right wing voters with his overall sleaziness and his the thing is rigged enough that they just stay home. On the other hand I hope the never Hillary group show up and vote D in the down ballot races...especially in the Senate...all about those judges...can't be said enough.
sanepride said @ 3:46pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:1 Insightful]
Not just judges- but committee chairmanships with the power to advance a progressive legislative agenda. Hillary will owe a big political debt to the progressives who have supported her (especially Sanders). This is how they hold her feet to the fire.
bbqkink said @ 4:17pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:2 Hot Pr0n]
"Paul Ryan's doomsday scenario if GOP loses the Senate: "A guy named Bernie Sanders" becomes Budget committee chair"

"Good god, people! Sanders might try to expand Social Security. He might look for ways to ease the burden of college debt. By god, he had a "Medicare for All" platform. Just think of it: Insured people everywhere! Talk about an apocalypse!"

Paul Ryan warns of doomsday scenario: Bernie Sanders as Budget Committee chair
bbqkink said @ 5:28pm GMT on 21st Oct
What I have been hearing is that he wants to be the chairman of the heath committee.


Sanders has made no secret of his desire to lead Democrats on the panel.

“It … deals with the issues that I’ve been involved in my whole life, that I feel very strongly about,” Sanders said in an interview with C-SPAN last week.

“Health, the need to provide healthcare to all people, education, labor, pensions. All of those issues are enormously important for Americans,” he said.

Clinton ally stands between Sanders and chairmanship dream

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