Tuesday, 18 October 2016

To Be White Is To Be Racist

quote [ β€œto be white is to be racist, period.” ]
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[by maximumtodd@10:56pmGMT]

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milkman666 said @ 11:28pm GMT on 18th Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
I'd make that argument. You'd figure if you were 2nd or third generation and didn't identify as either being german, finnish, or scottish american you'd just consider yourself american. To make the distinction, "oh im white" and you're black, and he's mexican, it always seems to come from a place that is meant to denigrate. Because if you considered yourself just an american, then you'd be the same as someone who came here on a slave ship, or was living in a pueblo that is now part of Texas.

Then you can start doing slight of hand in terms of who contributed what to this country, because being white is assumed to being american, but the same isn't said of someone who's asian, or black, or the myriad of brown tones. They are always tied to someplace foreign. Christ, to tell someone go back to africa, when their family has been in country longer than yours, or told to get sent packing back home to mexico when your people were on this continent when there were still sloths the size of bendy buses betrays a fucked mindset.
Bruceski said @ 1:17am GMT on 19th Oct
What about when I say that I'm white, but my mother wasn't born white and my grandfather was never white? It's meant as commentary not denigration, about how the term "anti-semitism" was needed instead of racism because people stopped seeing us as another race but still kept the bigotry.
milkman666 said @ 1:56am GMT on 19th Oct
I could have sworn there was an article posted here that went over the divide between jewish left and right and how they tend to look for antisemitism in different places. It mentioned how and when jewish became accepted as white, although its still a fluid thing because its a term that really doesn't have a set in stone criteria.

Theres an advantage to being considered white if you are accepted by the white community. As a latino though who can't pass its problematic. Other hispanics will identify you as a quisling because of mannerisms and tastes. Meanwhile you're identified as being an other by white folk, and depending on how much stock they put in the idea of white your either just one of the good ones or some sort of beaner putting on airs. That interplay though has no real positive. At its most benign you identify as white because it confers protection from the antagonists who created the concept in the first place.
HoZay said @ 2:15am GMT on 19th Oct
I don't understand the hispanic-is-not-white thinking among the white supremacists. Aren't they pro-European culture, and isn't Spain part of Europe?
Racism isn't as simple as it seems.
eidolon said @ 3:29am GMT on 19th Oct
Historically that one is interesting. Hispanics have been classified as whites, coloreds, or mulattos across the South spanning back to slavery and through segregation. It's relatively recent that racists have considered them distinctly nonwhite.

The exception is prisons, where Hispanics and Latinos can join the Aryan Nation. Ironically, since white people don't get convicted at the same rate as everyone else per capita, they're starving for members in their prison gangs.
the circus said @ 12:37am GMT on 20th Oct
I may be completely wrong here, but isn't it that Spanish is European, but Hispanic is a mix of European and native American?
eidolon said @ 3:27am GMT on 19th Oct
That recent article about the godson of David Duke was interesting. If anyone didn't read that, the guy said he was a history major looking for ideas that supported his racism, but found that race as we view it today is a fairly modern concept and medieval Europe didn't share it.
milkman666 said @ 4:35am GMT on 19th Oct
I guess ill have to look for it. I've heard its only recent that theres been a biological and genetic underpinning to the notion of race, and that you could just as easily use language and country as a descriptor. The french race, the catalonians, and so forth.
cb361 said @ 11:18pm GMT on 18th Oct
Yeah, probably. Although a might substitute human for white. But what's more important is what we want to be, rather than what we are.
midden said @ 11:20pm GMT on 18th Oct
"While discussing a variety of philosophical perspectives on culture, race and ethics, a teacher was attempting to convey to students in an elective philosophy course a perspective that had been shared at a university lecture he had attended. "

So if I may Godwin this from the get-go, a professor should not be able to say something like, "Jews, Roma, gays, blacks, all are inferior to the pure Aryan blood," while discussing WWII and Naziism.

Hell, this teacher got at least one student to actually listen to what was being said, to think about it and to discuss it with others. Success!
butthole said @ 9:59pm GMT on 19th Oct
I think the difference is the teacher said "whites are racist period", not "Hitler said that Jews, Roma, gays, blacks, all are inferior to the pure Aryan blood". The first quote is telling you, the second one is teaching you.
midden said @ 11:34pm GMT on 19th Oct
According to the article, "While discussing a variety of philosophical perspectives on culture, race and ethics, a teacher was attempting to convey to students in an elective philosophy course a perspective that had been shared at a university lecture he had attended."
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 11:56pm GMT on 18th Oct
Does SE not support animated GIFs for thumbnails, or did you not find the usual one for this particular post?
HoZay said @ 12:11am GMT on 19th Oct [Score:1 Good]
Animated thumbs went away. :(
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 12:15am GMT on 19th Oct [Score:2 Funny]
No wonder I keep spilling my drinks!
HoZay said @ 12:10am GMT on 19th Oct
Seems to be a lot of information missing from this article.
robotroadkill said @ 12:44am GMT on 19th Oct
I don't really know about these terms, but I'd make a distinction between racist and biased. I.e., we all have biases, but racism has a more intellectual, deliberate component to it. The fact that my stomach may tense up when a black man in a hoodie is walking towards me at night is bias (and involuntary), but crossing the street to avoid him is racist. Recognizing, being embarrassed by, and battling your bias is the difference.
Bruceski said @ 1:18am GMT on 19th Oct
I use the terms implicit and explicit racism, but same idea.
Franger Sanger said @ 8:22am GMT on 19th Oct
Harvard have an excellent online tool that can test for implicit associations of the type that robotroadkill mentions. Moeover, you can test for implicit associations on things like gender, body image, sexuality, or even attitudes to guns or mental illness. Try it here.

They point out that there is no research that can confidently say that implicit attitudes can be overcome, or even reduced. They are developed very early, and reinforced very heavily by popular culture. But being aware of an implicit attitude and realising it is not justified does allow a person to develop strategies to avoid implicit biases being triggered.

I was somewhat surprised to find I had no implicit associations in some areas where I know I have an explicit bias. It seems that in these areas my intellectual reasoning for the bias is genuine (if perhaps not correct), and not merely an after-the-fact attempt to justify unconscious, instinctive beliefs.
robotroadkill said @ 11:55am GMT on 19th Oct
It turns out that, as an atheist, I'm (practically) equally biased against Christians and Muslims, but biased in favor of Jews.
Franger Sanger said @ 12:12pm GMT on 19th Oct [Score:1 Funny]
Maybe you are just a good literary critic. The sequels are never as good as the original.
Franger Sanger said @ 12:16pm GMT on 19th Oct
...and much, much later cash-in prequels are the pits. I suppose that makes the Book of Mormon culturally equivalent to Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace.
sanepride said @ 1:14am GMT on 19th Oct
I'd say that if you're a student in Norman Oklahoma your sensibilities should be offended on a regular basis.
coffeejoejava said @ 9:40am GMT on 19th Oct
I am not racist at all. i have had the privilege of working with all manner of people in both a professional and personal level. What I can tell you is laziness and uselessness have no color, ethnic, religious, sex, or sexual orientation boundaries. I care not if you are black , white, Asian, European, Mexican, South American....what have you. 10% of all people are useless as hell.
sanepride said @ 12:43pm GMT on 19th Oct
So then 90% of people are upstanding, hard-working, regardless of race or ethnicity. That's pretty good.

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