Sunday, 23 March 2025

Summers Says Trump Policies Could Shake Confidence in the Rule of Law

quote [ It takes decades to grow a forest and a few minutes to burn it down. ]

A very loud 3 minute sound bite, to me, who misses the pundits that used to post on SE. Difficult to make sense of the world nowadays. Hit continue to destination button.
[It's a Youtube with timestamp that SE doesn't like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diITRaJgRqQ]
[SFW] [politics] [+3 Informative]
[by yunnaf@3:59pmGMT]

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R1Xhard said @ 2:20am GMT on 24th Mar
LINK THINGY makes YouTube links compatible with SE.
steele said @ 5:44pm GMT on 24th Mar
Just use the share button link

https://youtu.be/diITRaJgRqQ?si=TlRKZVNFYqhRjtre

And remove the tracking

https://youtu.be/diITRaJgRqQ

The hosting is choking on the question mark for some reason.
stv179 said @ 4:54am GMT on 24th Mar
Could?
steele said @ 5:48pm GMT on 24th Mar
Larry Summers is a monstrous ghoul. He spent the last four years helping to the push the Biden administration into creating this situation. Not that they really needed the help.
yunnaf said[3] @ 6:41pm GMT on 24th Mar
Yellin was Summers' prof when he went to University and she was in the driver's seat, he had no power and always says it's tough to argue with her. What's that got to do with this message? There is not one politician pointing it out.
steele said @ 8:26pm GMT on 24th Mar
I'm sorry but if you have confidence in the rule of law, you're not living in reality. I really don't even know where I would begin, tbh. The genocides? The ongoing pandemics? The Imperialism? The Slavery under the guise of prison systems?

They're not concerned about the rule of law, they're concerned you're gonna question why the people who spent the last 4 years comparing Donald Trump to Hitler are working with him. Because the jig is up if you figure that out.
yunnaf said[2] @ 10:17pm GMT on 24th Mar
We're having a breakdown in communication.
Firstly, I don't know what's going on, but it doesn't feel good.
In the old days of SE, there were guys like you who posted, spelling out the bad sh*t.

I see highway robbery by Trump and oligarchs (I don't even know what oligarch means), the only way to knock down the deficit is to kill medicare, medicaid stuff which is happening because the US can't figure out how to provide cost effective healthcare, stirring up hate against immigrants is the weirdest idea but worse is deporting someone for looking South American, defunding health research and picking on universities because of personal grudges, putting law firms out of business because of personal grudges, duping people to buy crypto currency and just an abhorrence for the functioning of good government, keeping the price of food down, cheaper housing, decent healthcare, decent education costs ...good citizenship.
This is just my point of view, it is not shared. At least Summers talks about it.

For me the breakdown of communication, is that you are making attributions towards me, that I don't even know about. Look, I'm basically dumb-ass, sh*t is going on, it doesn't feel good. No one is talking about it. Bernie and AOC talk about oligarch's, like I said that doesn't relate to me.
There was a time when SE would talk about current events, intelligently. even the middle east like Gaza/Isreal.

steele said @ 12:01am GMT on 25th Mar
Apologies if I was too blunt, didn't really mean to be. But yeah. IDk where to begin. The reality of the situation is that none if this is really new, it's just that the powers that be are finding it's no longer necessary to keep up the "appearance" of a free society. Trump can basically do anything he wants as long as he can wield the power to do so. That's reality, the "rule of law" is the illusion. Courts don't matter, people going "that's illegal!" don't matter. What matters is what he can get done by telling to people to do it. The same has been true for every president before him, he's just been much more mask off about it. And years of Billionaire/US propaganda have laid the groundwork to normalize much of the views he's using to get them done.

The US is run by two Capitalist political parties, what this means in practice is that the true disagreements between them are about how best to exploit us, the workers. They may serve different Capitalists, but ultimately our best interests are simply not on the agenda. We are "Human Resources" to be used up. Or as Rick and Morty put it, "Slavery with Extra Steps." Over the years many of those steps have been removed. We're watching that process speed up, rapidly. They're ripping the copper out of the walls, basically.

I wouldn't really put much weight in the views of SE nowadays, we've been very naïve over the years, and most folks don't seem to have changed their views to match reality since I've owned this website. They spent 4 years of Trump trying to make him out to be some sort of anomaly of the system and then spent 4 years ignoring Biden doing the same things that made Trump a "tyrant". The Democrats (Including Bernie) have moved so far right that they're pushing immigration views that are to the right of George W. Bush, they're regularly repeating Zionist propaganda, and they all love to jump at the chance to blame whatever ails us on China or Russia. People wanna support that shit they can go right ahead, but it aint gonna change the direction we're headed.

If you wanna make a difference or prepare for the future, I'd recommend looking up and volunteering with a Mutual Aid group and/or the PSL, if you have any nearby. And mask, covid is gonna kill us all or worse.
yunnaf said[1] @ 4:13am GMT on 25th Mar
I was an IT techie, no background in political science nor history. Today, I feel I'm witness to human evil, the deaths in the Ukraine war, the deaths in Gaza, the cost of living. I can see the references to Germany in the 1930's, discontent, persecution of people, rise of militias and gangs and use of brute force. The techniques of Putin and Orban to control media, eliminate opposition and impose absolute power.
The current administration has taken control of the Presidential Press Pool. Trump sued CBS and ABC, Facebook and Wahington Post caved. Republicans upended the justice system -overturned Roe vs Wade, Citizens' United, Presidential immunity. The DOJ looks more like the Dept of Injustice. The world's richest man bought control over Republicans in the House of Representatives by threat of primarying any dissenter.

The spirit of the Constitution was to look after the interests of the people and deny absolute power. I suppose it was written in the belief of the goodwill of people. That spirit has disappeared nowadays. The bully gets his way.
The purpose of my posts was to raise awareness of the dark clouds.
How far away are we, from banning this comment?
steele said @ 12:10am GMT on 27th Mar
Look, dude, I don't know what you're looking for me to say. The problem is you're telling me you're ignorant but you also seem to be very confident in some things you're pretty wrong about. Not everything, but some pretty important things. If you're looking to actually learn, I'm more than happy to drop links to videos, books, podcasts, whatever you think would work best. But I don't think you want me to tell you the truth or correct you. I think what you want is what Bernie Sanders does nowadays, which is basically the political equivalent of Big Tent Revivals.
yunnaf said @ 1:42am GMT on 27th Mar
The only framework I have is logic. I believe in evidence, but as you note, I am aware I get fooled when things aren't what they appear or I just don't get it. Most discussions don't start from first principles, they start with presumptions that the other person has a common starting point.

I'll give an example. A few years ago, the Palestinians were at war with Isreal. At that time, the Palestinians main tactic were suicide bombers. Isreal would invade Gaza and destroy infrastucture like waterworks and oil storage depots used to generate electricity. If you were to speak about the war, every listener would first want to know which side you were on. Then, like now, I posted on SE, I didn't know the backgroud but was interested in a resolution. The "logical" me deduced that if Isreal claimed the whole territory, the Jews would be out numbered, no longer a Jewish state. The atmosphere is so charged that I would be assigned a side, even though I had no dog in the fight. Everywhere else a speaker would declare which side they were on but on SE there was a problem solving discussion.

For me, the US is in this situation. I see things that are not "logical" but I'm assigned a side. I know Larry Summers is not to be trusted but I measured every thing he said and it was consistent to my "logic". I didn't think he was inflaming the "other side". For me he was talking to the business community.

"on some things you're pretty wrong about" I am interested to hear about it. It is hard for me to understand you, we don't have a common starting point.
steele said[2] @ 3:08pm GMT on 29th Mar
I'm gonna be real, dude, I don't have a lot of energy for this nowadays, but I would probably start with here: The spirit of the Constitution was to look after the interests of the people and deny absolute power. I suppose it was written in the belief of the goodwill of people. That spirit has disappeared nowadays. The bully gets his way.

Absolutely not. Like if that's where you're starting from, I can see the problem, because that's like grade school mythology. The reality is that this government was founded by a bunch of Slave Owners and Businessmen adjacent to Slave Owners, to protect their business interests. Slavery was mentioned in the early drafts of the Declaration of Independence and then removed at the behest of said Slave Owners and Northern businessman, probably because they saw the necessity of causing an uprising of poor people to revolt against the crown on their behalf. In the years prior to the Declaration, the crown was preventing people from expanding further into the continent, coming closer to banning slavery, and yes taxing the colonies.... to pay for the battles with Spain/France and put down the regular uprisings of the enslaved. Maintaining slavery on behalf of the colonies was becoming very expensive for the Crown and they were having enough of it.

After the Revolution, the US had a working government, The Confederacy. Had 14 presidents and everything. But a growing undercurrent of poor people felt that since they fought in the war to free the country from the crown, then they should all own it too. This led to Shay's Rebellion. This put the investments of all those rich people who paid for the revolutionary war at risk, so a call was put out for a Federal Convention to strengthen the Confederacy. You probably know it better as the Constitutional Convention, but that was not its original intention. It was essentially a Coup by the Federalists and they were not at all quiet about their intentions about what their purpose was and why.

Alexander Hamilton had James Madison publish the Federalists and he regularly talked about protecting the Minority of the Opulent from the tyranny of the majority (ie, poor people.)

From Federalist 51 here he talks about how the new government will prevent poor people from taking over: There are but two methods of providing against this evil: the one by creating a will in the community independent of the majority that is, of the society itself; the other, by comprehending in the society so many separate descriptions of citizens as will render an unjust combination of a majority of the whole very improbable, if not impracticable. The first method prevails in all governments possessing an hereditary or self-appointed authority. This, at best, is but a precarious security; because a power independent of the society may as well espouse the unjust views of the major, as the rightful interests of the minor party, and may possibly be turned against both parties. The second method will be exemplified in the federal republic of the United States. Whilst all authority in it will be derived from and dependent on the society, the society itself will be broken into so many parts, interests, and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority.
This challenge sound familiar? The system is designed, from the very beginning, to keep the rich in charge.

Here's Madison talking about creation of the Senate:In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of the landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability.


The Federalists, the real founders of the US Constitutional Government, did not give a fuck about anyone who wasn't rich. Priority Number 1 was Private Property. Then, their first president? George Washington, the richest man in the US at the time! This country was built for rich people by rich people, and any progress for humanity has come from fighting tooth and nail against the rich as they use this country to grow their wealth by slaughtering rebellious workers at home and across the globe, even today.
yunnaf said @ 5:07pm GMT on 29th Mar
Ditto " I don't have a lot of energy for this nowadays, but I would probably start with here".
My reason for shit disturbing is future oriented, how do you want to live from now on? I sense a lot of chaos these days and see evil. I now understand this is not the place to talk about it.
steele said @ 6:04pm GMT on 29th Mar
People stopped caring about it around here a long time ago. I've been pretty vocal about my disgust with that. I'd go back to my original recommendation of getting involved with an org.
yunnaf said[1] @ 5:37pm GMT on 27th Mar
A partisan review of current legal mischief, have to look for the tiny Listen button
https://cafe.com/stay-tuned/oops-we-texted-a-war-plan-to-the-press-with-ruth-marcus/
yunnaf said @ 5:00am GMT on 31st Mar
This American Life,
Exhibit Three
Producer Laura Starecheski takes us inside one dramatic court hearing on the Trump administration’s executive order and new policy banning transgender people from serving in the military.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/857/museum-of-now

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