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Saturday, 25 February 2017
quote [ There seems to be a lot of people who say that illegal aliens should be left alone and deportation is horrible. Whenever I ask people with that opinion why the law should not apply to these people they tend to shut the conversation down or scream racism. So I'm asking SE. Why? ]
I could care less about nationality. Come legally or go home. Overstay your valid work/education visa-get it fixed or go home. It is the law and I would expect the same law applied to me if I were in another country in the same situation. Please tell me why that is such a monstrous belief? British, Norwegian, Martian, Indian, Christian, atheist, deist, or Muslim it applies the same. '
Don't just comment its racist-thats BS and its not racist. I've had my mind changed through open debate before and will again, I'm sure. Open, honest conversation. Should immigration reform happen, yes. Should it be a free for all border crossing with no laws-no. While I expect this post to get down-modded to disappear, I hope it doesn't and that people can actually talk.
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Ebichuman said @ 8:42pm GMT on 25th February
It's not that there's anything wrong with proper and thoroughly controlled immigration procedures. It's that this is clearly a red herring, a scapegoat issue that is a waste of our national time, dignity, and attention.
Illegal immigration didn't take the rust belt's manufacturing jobs, inevitable globalization and the US's increasing value as a service economy did. It didn't cause the crime that Trumpers are purported afraid of, and all relevant statistics show that is in fact a double-lie, since crime is trending down. It didn't depress wages, decades of Republican-framed economics favoring the top earners did. It's a wedge issue, a divisive distraction to foment support and direct anger, to appeal to xenophobic tribal tendencies since it's just too much damn work to actually think of long term solutions to our problems.
Further, it abuses otherwise peaceful people. I'm sure some of them do deserve to be deported back, as would be done pre-Trump under normal ICE procedure. But it's inhuman to, e.g., take the people whose parents brought them here as children, grew up here, spent their whole lives here, have never have known Mexico, and just put em on a bus and drop them off across the border. And more than cruel, it's also a genuine waste of time, because it doesn't solve a single thing.
The fact that we're even having this conversation is a failure in my opinion, because it means that this is now framed as a reasonable discussion - meaning we're well past the looking glass, taking this seriously when in fact it has always been, at all relevant times in the campaign and now, a false premise leading to a false conclusion.
Ebichuman said @ 8:43pm GMT on 25th February
It's not that there's anything wrong with proper and thoroughly controlled immigration procedures. It's that this is clearly a red herring, a scapegoat issue that is a waste of our national time, dignity, and attention.
Illegal immigration didn't take the rust belt's manufacturing jobs, inevitable globalization and the US's increasing value as a service economy did. It didn't cause the crime that Trumpers are purportedly afraid of, and all relevant statistics show that is in fact a double-lie, since crime is trending down. It didn't depress wages, decades of Republican-framed economics favoring the top earners did. It's a wedge issue, a divisive distraction to foment support and direct anger, to appeal to xenophobic tribal tendencies since it's just too much damn work to actually think of long term solutions to our problems.
Further, it abuses otherwise peaceful people. I'm sure some of them do deserve to be deported back, as would be done pre-Trump under normal ICE procedure. But it's inhuman to, e.g., take the people whose parents brought them here as children, grew up here, spent their whole lives here, have never have known Mexico, and just put em on a bus and drop them off across the border. And more than cruel, it's also a genuine waste of time, because it doesn't solve a single thing.
The fact that we're even having this conversation is a failure in my opinion, because it means that this is now framed as a reasonable discussion - meaning we're well past the looking glass, taking this seriously when in fact it has always been, at all relevant times in the campaign and now, a false premise leading to a false conclusion.
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Ebichuman said @ 8:42pm GMT on 25th February [Score:5 Underrated]
It's not that there's anything wrong with proper and thoroughly controlled immigration procedures. It's that this is clearly a red herring, a scapegoat issue that is a waste of our national time, dignity, and attention.
Illegal immigration didn't take the rust belt's manufacturing jobs, inevitable globalization and the US's increasing value as a service economy did. It didn't cause the crime that Trumpers are purportedly afraid of, and all relevant statistics show that is in fact a double-lie, since crime is trending down. It didn't depress wages, decades of Republican-framed economics favoring the top earners did. It's a wedge issue, a divisive distraction to foment support and direct anger, to appeal to xenophobic tribal tendencies since it's just too much damn work to actually think of long term solutions to our problems.
Further, it abuses otherwise peaceful people. I'm sure some of them do deserve to be deported back, as would be done pre-Trump under normal ICE procedure. But it's inhuman to, e.g., take the people whose parents brought them here as children, grew up here, spent their whole lives here, have never have known Mexico, and just put em on a bus and drop them off across the border. And more than cruel, it's also a genuine waste of time, because it doesn't solve a single thing.
The fact that we're even having this conversation is a failure in my opinion, because it means that this is now framed as a reasonable discussion - meaning we're well past the looking glass, taking this seriously when in fact it has always been, at all relevant times in the campaign and now, a false premise leading to a false conclusion.
