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Saturday, 25 February 2017
quote [ There seems to be a lot of people who say that illegal aliens should be left alone and deportation is horrible. Whenever I ask people with that opinion why the law should not apply to these people they tend to shut the conversation down or scream racism. So I'm asking SE. Why? ]
I could care less about nationality. Come legally or go home. Overstay your valid work/education visa-get it fixed or go home. It is the law and I would expect the same law applied to me if I were in another country in the same situation. Please tell me why that is such a monstrous belief? British, Norwegian, Martian, Indian, Christian, atheist, deist, or Muslim it applies the same. '
Don't just comment its racist-thats BS and its not racist. I've had my mind changed through open debate before and will again, I'm sure. Open, honest conversation. Should immigration reform happen, yes. Should it be a free for all border crossing with no laws-no. While I expect this post to get down-modded to disappear, I hope it doesn't and that people can actually talk.
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lilmookieesquire said @ 8:26pm GMT on 25th February
It is illegal, but that's why America has cheap food and why small business can survive. California is the 8th(?) largest economy in the world for a reason- and a huge part of that is illegal immigrants doing shot jobs for low wages.
And even if you talk about computer programmers- the illegals are the people that form the foundations of their lifestyle. If you send all the illegals back then the California, and hence, American economy will crash. Hard.
lilmookieesquire said @ 8:27pm GMT on 25th February
It is illegal, but that's why America has cheap food and why small business can survive. California is the 8th(?) largest economy in the world for a reason- and a huge part of that is illegal immigrants doing shot jobs for low wages.
And even if you talk about computer programmers- the illegals are the people that form the foundations of their lifestyle. If you send all the illegals back then the California, and hence, American economy will crash. Hard.
I don't think it's even a question of racism. It's a question of ignorance of how the American economy works. Basically the Mexicans replaced the Japanese for picking food after WW2. The Mexicans are basically spartan helots.
lilmookieesquire said @ 8:32pm GMT on 25th February
It is illegal, but that's why America has cheap food and why small business can survive. California is the 8th(?) largest economy in the world for a reason- and a huge part of that is illegal immigrants doing shot jobs for low wages.
And even if you talk about computer programmers- the illegals are the people that form the foundations of their lifestyle. If you send all the illegals back then the California, and hence, American economy will crash. Hard.
I don't think it's even a question of racism. It's a question of ignorance of how the American economy works. Basically the Mexicans replaced the Japanese for picking food after WW2. The Mexicans are basically spartan helots.
And it's really not fair to Mexico. We destabilize the region with our drug policies and basically encourage them to come over here in order to work somewhere stable then we complain about it.
There's something to be said for having an actual policy that tracks and addresses this- but "sending the illegals back" just hurts agriculture and small business. If Americans are willing to pay at least x2 to x3 times the price for food- go for it. Maybe that will solve the obesity epidemic.
You can argue automation, but we aren't there yet really where a machine can prep food cheaper than below minimium wage. Ie there are automated egg crackers but they can't put preform of 3 below min wage workers yet.
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lilmookieesquire said @ 8:26pm GMT on 25th February [Score:1 Insightful]
It is illegal, but that's why America has cheap food and why small business can survive. California is the 8th(?) largest economy in the world for a reason- and a huge part of that is illegal immigrants doing shot jobs for low wages.
And even if you talk about computer programmers- the illegals are the people that form the foundations of their lifestyle. If you send all the illegals back then the California, and hence, American economy will crash. Hard.
I don't think it's even a question of racism. It's a question of ignorance of how the American economy works. Basically the Mexicans replaced the Japanese for picking food after WW2. The Mexicans are basically spartan helots.
And it's really not fair to Mexico. We destabilize the region with our drug policies and basically encourage them to come over here in order to work somewhere stable then we complain about it.
There's something to be said for having an actual policy that tracks and addresses this- but "sending the illegals back" just hurts agriculture and small business. If Americans are willing to pay at least x2 to x3 times the price for food- go for it. Maybe that will solve the obesity epidemic.
You can argue automation, but we aren't there yet really where a machine can prep food cheaper than below minimium wage. Ie there are automated egg crackers but they can't put preform of 3 below min wage workers yet.
