Moonwalking with Einstein -
The Art and Science of Remembering Everything
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Monday, 27 May 2019
quote [ To be the future of meat, Impossible needs to change the definition of “meat.” ]
I don't want an ordinary burger
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snowfox said @ 7:18pm GMT on 29th May
Disgust is a personal preference rather than a reasoned ethical stance or even a sincerely held moral one. I think it's gross to eat silk worm pupae but I don't think it's WRONG and I'm not trying to convince the many people who do eat them that they should not or that they are lesser than me for doing so.
After 14 years of Nate's crusade against eating meat, I'm just quite tired of it. He can stop pretending he's better than the rest of us. He can't tell me what we do with all our cats if we stop keeping meat animals. He can't tell me if our domesticate livestock species have a right to exist as well as the right to live; meaning we would have to continue breeding them even if we did not eat them. He can't or won't tell me what he even considers an animal and why.
I either want him to think it through thoroughly and come up with logically consistent answers or admit that it's just his personal preference and not some form of moral or ethical superiority.
Perhaps you are vegetarian. I wouldn't know because you don't take every opportunity to beat us all over the head with it. I have no problem with vegetarians. I do have a problem with people on a high horse about whether I'd like to get high and eat a horse.
As for your example about pro abortion and anti murder... I do not even understand how that follows. It starts with the base presumption that the two are at all equal. One is an act committed on a clump of nonsapient, parasitic cells that cannot exist on its own, and the other is an act committed against a sapient being. Even if we were to presume a fetus is a person (it is not), it is still not murder to remove it because I am not obliged to let someone use my body to live even if they need it. If I had a child and they needed my kidney to live, or simply needed me as a living dialysis machine for 10 months, I would not be legally obligated to do so and it would not be considered murder not to. Abortion and murder are issues that have absolutely nothing to do with eachother.
snowfox said @ 7:21pm GMT on 29th May
Disgust is a personal preference rather than a reasoned ethical stance or even a sincerely held moral one. I think it's gross to eat silk worm pupae but I don't think it's WRONG and I'm not trying to convince the many people who do eat them that they should not or that they are lesser than me for doing so.
After 14 years of Nate's crusade against eating meat, I'm just quite tired of it. He can stop pretending he's better than the rest of us. He can't tell me what we do with all our cats if we stop keeping meat animals. He can't tell me if our domesticated livestock species have a right to exist as well as the right to live; meaning we would have to continue breeding them even if we did not eat them. He can't or won't tell me what he even considers an animal and why.
I either want him to think it through thoroughly and come up with logically consistent answers or admit that it's just his personal preference and not some form of moral or ethical superiority.
Perhaps you are vegetarian. I wouldn't know because you don't take every opportunity to beat us all over the head with it. I have no problem with vegetarians. I do have a problem with people on a high horse about whether I'd like to get high and eat a horse.
As for your example about pro abortion and anti murder... I do not even understand how that follows. It starts with the base presumption that the two are at all equal. One is an act committed on a clump of nonsapient, parasitic cells that cannot exist on its own, and the other is an act committed against a sapient being. Even if we were to presume a fetus is a person (it is not), it is still not murder to remove it because I am not obliged to let someone use my body to live even if they need it. If I had a child and they needed my kidney to live, or simply needed me as a living dialysis machine for 10 months, I would not be legally obligated to do so and it would not be considered murder not to. Abortion and murder are issues that have absolutely nothing to do with eachother.
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snowfox said @ 7:18pm GMT on 29th May
Disgust is a personal preference rather than a reasoned ethical stance or even a sincerely held moral one. I think it's gross to eat silk worm pupae but I don't think it's WRONG and I'm not trying to convince the many people who do eat them that they should not or that they are lesser than me for doing so.
After 14 years of Nate's crusade against eating meat, I'm just quite tired of it. He can stop pretending he's better than the rest of us. He can't tell me what we do with all our cats if we stop keeping meat animals. He can't tell me if our domesticated livestock species have a right to exist as well as the right to live; meaning we would have to continue breeding them even if we did not eat them. He can't or won't tell me what he even considers an animal and why.
I either want him to think it through thoroughly and come up with logically consistent answers or admit that it's just his personal preference and not some form of moral or ethical superiority.
Perhaps you are vegetarian. I wouldn't know because you don't take every opportunity to beat us all over the head with it. I have no problem with vegetarians. I do have a problem with people on a high horse about whether I'd like to get high and eat a horse.
As for your example about pro abortion and anti murder... I do not even understand how that follows. It starts with the base presumption that the two are at all equal. One is an act committed on a clump of nonsapient, parasitic cells that cannot exist on its own, and the other is an act committed against a sapient being. Even if we were to presume a fetus is a person (it is not), it is still not murder to remove it because I am not obliged to let someone use my body to live even if they need it. If I had a child and they needed my kidney to live, or simply needed me as a living dialysis machine for 10 months, I would not be legally obligated to do so and it would not be considered murder not to. Abortion and murder are issues that have absolutely nothing to do with eachother.
