Listen, Liberal -
Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?
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Sunday, 1 April 2018
quote [ Robyn Byrd and Katie Rice were teenage Ren & Stimpy fans who wanted to make cartoons. They say they were preyed upon by the creator of the show, John Kricfalusi, who admitted to having had a 16-year-old girlfriend when approached by BuzzFeed News. ]
More disassembling of 90s pop culture. Björk video in extended.
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jsabin69 said @ 12:29pm GMT on 7th April
To pretend the parents weren't aware of the very real concerns this entire outrage is about is naive at best. As a prosecutor who has dealt with very real sexual assault as well as working as a defense attorney who defended and advocated for sexual assault victims, I am opposed to statutory rape laws. I am opposed because I believe they remove the role of the jury as the arbiter of facts and don't even address consent--these laws are legal laziness and moral/religious judgment motivated. I don't believe it's society's job to get involved in consensual sex acts at least not to the point where we view it as rape--this is just another example of laws that result in over incarceration.
Although there really are some creepy people who go out and try to manipulate younguns into sex, the majority of the time a statutory rape law would apply its just an actual relationship between two sexually mature people who are consenting with full awareness of what they are doing
I don't like statutory rape laws because I dislike any of the specialized laws that just add layers to existing laws (hate crime laws are another example--no need since the acts involved usually already against the law and the hate crime aspect of it is just a factor that could be considered in the sentencing phase of the crime). An act is either consensual or it is not. An arbitrary age cut off that varies wildly by state to state may make prosecutor's jobs easier, but actually litigating consent if it's in question is what should be done.
And, there's so much outrage just simply because of age differentials. People still view a 40 year-old with a 25 year-old as creepy often, but it doesn't mean that both aren't consenting. It is true that there is a point where a child really is a child and it's not a hard fast line when they become adult-minded. I'm sure many of you were adolescents once and many were having consensual sexual relationships at that time.
If you are honest with yourselves do you really feel like you were incapable of consenting to sex with someone 5 years older than you. I don't speak for each of you but at 15 if I had fucked a 40 year old it would not be non-consensual just because I was younger than 17 (or 16 or 15 varying by state) I was fully aware of my actions by that point and very much in control of my own destiny. I am also aware that not all teenagers are that mature, but I don't like legal laziness--if consent isn't there litigate it.
jsabin69 said @ 12:30pm GMT on 7th April
To pretend the parents weren't aware of the very real concerns this entire outrage is about is naive at best.
That aside, as a prosecutor who has dealt with very real sexual assault as well as having worked as a defense attorney who defended and advocated for sexual assault victims, I am opposed to statutory rape laws. I am opposed because I believe they remove the role of the jury as the arbiter of facts and don't even address consent--these laws are legal laziness and moral/religious judgment motivated. I don't believe it's society's job to get involved in consensual sex acts at least not to the point where we view it as rape--this is just another example of laws that result in over incarceration.
Although there really are some creepy people who go out and try to manipulate younguns into sex, the majority of the time a statutory rape law would apply its just an actual relationship between two sexually mature people who are consenting with full awareness of what they are doing
I don't like statutory rape laws because I dislike any of the specialized laws that just add layers to existing laws (hate crime laws are another example--no need since the acts involved usually already against the law and the hate crime aspect of it is just a factor that could be considered in the sentencing phase of the crime). An act is either consensual or it is not. An arbitrary age cut off that varies wildly by state to state may make prosecutor's jobs easier, but actually litigating consent if it's in question is what should be done.
And, there's so much outrage just simply because of age differentials. People still view a 40 year-old with a 25 year-old as creepy often, but it doesn't mean that both aren't consenting. It is true that there is a point where a child really is a child and it's not a hard fast line when they become adult-minded. I'm sure many of you were adolescents once and many were having consensual sexual relationships at that time.
If you are honest with yourselves do you really feel like you were incapable of consenting to sex with someone 5 years older than you. I don't speak for each of you but at 15 if I had fucked a 40 year old it would not be non-consensual just because I was younger than 17 (or 16 or 15 varying by state) I was fully aware of my actions by that point and very much in control of my own destiny. I am also aware that not all teenagers are that mature, but I don't like legal laziness--if consent isn't there litigate it.
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jsabin69 said @ 12:29pm GMT on 7th April [Score:1 Underrated]
To pretend the parents weren't aware of the very real concerns this entire outrage is about is naive at best.
That aside, as a prosecutor who has dealt with very real sexual assault as well as having worked as a defense attorney who defended and advocated for sexual assault victims, I am opposed to statutory rape laws. I am opposed because I believe they remove the role of the jury as the arbiter of facts and don't even address consent--these laws are legal laziness and moral/religious judgment motivated. I don't believe it's society's job to get involved in consensual sex acts at least not to the point where we view it as rape--this is just another example of laws that result in over incarceration.
Although there really are some creepy people who go out and try to manipulate younguns into sex, the majority of the time a statutory rape law would apply its just an actual relationship between two sexually mature people who are consenting with full awareness of what they are doing
I don't like statutory rape laws because I dislike any of the specialized laws that just add layers to existing laws (hate crime laws are another example--no need since the acts involved usually already against the law and the hate crime aspect of it is just a factor that could be considered in the sentencing phase of the crime). An act is either consensual or it is not. An arbitrary age cut off that varies wildly by state to state may make prosecutor's jobs easier, but actually litigating consent if it's in question is what should be done.
And, there's so much outrage just simply because of age differentials. People still view a 40 year-old with a 25 year-old as creepy often, but it doesn't mean that both aren't consenting. It is true that there is a point where a child really is a child and it's not a hard fast line when they become adult-minded. I'm sure many of you were adolescents once and many were having consensual sexual relationships at that time.
If you are honest with yourselves do you really feel like you were incapable of consenting to sex with someone 5 years older than you. I don't speak for each of you but at 15 if I had fucked a 40 year old it would not be non-consensual just because I was younger than 17 (or 16 or 15 varying by state) I was fully aware of my actions by that point and very much in control of my own destiny. I am also aware that not all teenagers are that mature, but I don't like legal laziness--if consent isn't there litigate it.
