This Is an Uprising -
How Nonviolent Revolt Is Shaping the Twenty-First Century
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Tuesday, 9 January 2018
quote [ James Damore, a former Google engineer who was fired in August after posting a memo to an internal Google message board arguing that women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering, has filed a class action lawsuit against the company in Santa Clara Superior Court in Northern California.
His claims: that Google unfairly discriminates against white men whose political views are unpopular with its executives. ] The look on his poor lawyer's face.
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donnie said @ 12:44pm GMT on 10th January
My point is that women have historically been subject to societal pressures that have formed active barriers to entry for certain professions. Getting taken seriously as a female engineer even forty years ago was a harder deal than it is today.
The reverse is not true. Men, even having dominated the medical profession for years, are woefully under-represented in fields like Speech Language Pathology and Occupational Therapy - not crap jobs, but professional fields that require advanced medical degrees and professional registration; jobs with very low unemployment rates, very good pay, and high prestige. Why? I think we can agree that white men have never suffered from discrimination and barriers to entry in any career they so choose to enter, so why the lack of interest here? Is there something stopping men, or is it something else? Something more fundamental about men and women that, by simple statistics, the people with the right skills tend to be found more among women than among men.
Even in blue collar work, why are men the garbage men and women the file clerks? Why do women use printers at work but men have the jobs to fix them? Why do men dominate gritty, dirty jobs like bricklaying, drywall, machining, plumbing, and why do women dominate clerical and information organization jobs? Why do women build clothes but men build houses? Is there some conspiracy that puts men and women in these jobs, or are they jobs that require aptitudes and interests that are not uniformly distributed in the sexes?
Is it really so wrong, or such a bad thing, that men and women have different interests? Is it really that surprising? Does it mean we are somehow broken as a species, or should we maybe just resign ourselves to the fact that this is who we are that there's nothing wrong to fix here?
This isn't to say that children should not be supported and encouraged to do whatever the hell they have a passion for. If Jill wants to become an electrician that should be fine, and if Jack wants to be a cosmetologist he should happily get a makeup kit for his 8th birthday if that's what he wants. Should they expect that, no matter what profession they choose, they should end up with a razor sharp and mathematically perfect 50/50 distribution of male and female co-workers when they grow up? Does that even make sense? Why the desperate need to erase any notion that boys and girls are different?
donnie said @ 12:44pm GMT on 10th January
My point is that women have historically been subject to societal pressures that have formed active barriers to entry for certain professions. Getting taken seriously as a female engineer even forty years ago was a much harder deal than it is today.
The reverse is not true. Men, even having dominated the medical profession for years, are woefully under-represented in fields like Speech Language Pathology and Occupational Therapy - not crap jobs, but professional fields that require advanced medical degrees and professional registration; jobs with very low unemployment rates, very good pay, and high prestige. Why? I think we can agree that white men have never suffered from discrimination and barriers to entry in any career they so choose to enter, so why the lack of interest here? Is there something stopping men, or is it something else? Something more fundamental about men and women that, by simple statistics, the people with the right skills tend to be found more among women than among men.
Even in blue collar work, why are men the garbage men and women the file clerks? Why do women use printers at work but men have the jobs to fix them? Why do men dominate gritty, dirty jobs like bricklaying, drywall, machining, plumbing, and why do women dominate clerical and information organization jobs? Why do women build clothes but men build houses? Is there some conspiracy that puts men and women in these jobs, or are they jobs that require aptitudes and interests that are not uniformly distributed in the sexes?
Is it really so wrong, or such a bad thing, that men and women have different interests? Is it really that surprising? Does it mean we are somehow broken as a species, or should we maybe just resign ourselves to the fact that this is who we are that there's nothing wrong to fix here?
This isn't to say that children should not be supported and encouraged to do whatever the hell they have a passion for. If Jill wants to become an electrician that should be fine, and if Jack wants to be a cosmetologist he should happily get a makeup kit for his 8th birthday if that's what he wants. Should they expect that, no matter what profession they choose, they should end up with a razor sharp and mathematically perfect 50/50 distribution of male and female co-workers when they grow up? Does that even make sense? Why the desperate need to erase any notion that boys and girls are different?
donnie said @ 12:45pm GMT on 10th January
My point is that women have historically been subject to societal pressures that have formed active barriers to entry for certain professions. Getting taken seriously as a female engineer even forty years ago was a much harder deal than it is today.
The reverse is not true. Men, even having dominated the medical profession for years, are woefully under-represented in fields like Speech Language Pathology and Occupational Therapy - not crap jobs, but professional fields that require advanced medical degrees and professional registration; jobs with very low unemployment rates, very good pay, and high prestige. Why? I think we can agree that white men have never suffered from discrimination and barriers to entry in any career they so choose to enter, so why the lack of interest here? Is there something stopping men, or is it something else? Something more fundamental about men and women that, by simple statistics, the people with the right skills tend to be found more among women than among men? Is that really a crazy idea?
Even in blue collar work, why are men the garbage men and women the file clerks? Why do women use printers at work but men have the jobs to fix them? Why do men dominate gritty, dirty jobs like bricklaying, drywall, machining, plumbing, and why do women dominate clerical and information organization jobs? Why do women build clothes but men build houses? Is there some conspiracy that puts men and women in these jobs, or are they jobs that require aptitudes and interests that are not uniformly distributed in the sexes?
Is it really so wrong, or such a bad thing, that men and women have different interests? Is it really that surprising? Does it mean we are somehow broken as a species, or should we maybe just resign ourselves to the fact that this is who we are that there's nothing wrong to fix here?
This isn't to say that children should not be supported and encouraged to do whatever the hell they have a passion for. If Jill wants to become an electrician that should be fine, and if Jack wants to be a cosmetologist he should happily get a makeup kit for his 8th birthday if that's what he wants. Should they expect that, no matter what profession they choose, they should end up with a razor sharp and mathematically perfect 50/50 distribution of male and female co-workers when they grow up? Does that even make sense? Why the desperate need to erase any notion that boys and girls are different?
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donnie said @ 12:44pm GMT on 10th January
My point is that women have historically been subject to societal pressures that have formed active barriers to entry for certain professions. Getting taken seriously as a female engineer even forty years ago was a much harder deal than it is today.
The reverse is not true. Men, even having dominated the medical profession for years, are woefully under-represented in fields like Speech Language Pathology and Occupational Therapy - not crap jobs, but professional fields that require advanced medical degrees and professional registration; jobs with very low unemployment rates, very good pay, and high prestige. Why? I think we can agree that white men have never suffered from discrimination and barriers to entry in any career they so choose to enter, so why the lack of interest here? Is there something stopping men, or is it something else? Something more fundamental about men and women that, by simple statistics, the people with the right skills tend to be found more among women than among men? Is that really a crazy idea?
Even in blue collar work, why are men the garbage men and women the file clerks? Why do women use printers at work but men have the jobs to fix them? Why do men dominate gritty, dirty jobs like bricklaying, drywall, machining, plumbing, and why do women dominate clerical and information organization jobs? Why do women build clothes but men build houses? Is there some conspiracy that puts men and women in these jobs, or are they jobs that require aptitudes and interests that are not uniformly distributed in the sexes?
Is it really so wrong, or such a bad thing, that men and women have different interests? Is it really that surprising? Does it mean we are somehow broken as a species, or should we maybe just resign ourselves to the fact that this is who we are that there's nothing wrong to fix here?
This isn't to say that children should not be supported and encouraged to do whatever the hell they have a passion for. If Jill wants to become an electrician that should be fine, and if Jack wants to be a cosmetologist he should happily get a makeup kit for his 8th birthday if that's what he wants. Should they expect that, no matter what profession they choose, they should end up with a razor sharp and mathematically perfect 50/50 distribution of male and female co-workers when they grow up? Does that even make sense? Why the desperate need to erase any notion that boys and girls are different?
