Wednesday, 27 December 2017

Gaming Disorder now a recognized mental health issue

quote [ In 2018, playing video games obsessively might lead to a diagnosis of a mental health disorder.

In the beta draft of its forthcoming 11th International Classification of Diseases, the World Health Organization includes "gaming disorder" in its list of mental health conditions. The WHO defines the disorder as a "persistent or recurrent" behavior pattern of "sufficient severity to result in significant impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning."
The disorder is characterized by "impaired control" with increasing priority given to gaming and "escalation," despite "negative consequences." ]

I can see the abuse of this now. How would one define professional video game player vs mental disorder? Are they the same?
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[by Mythtyn@11:31pmGMT]

Comments

Nextdooryeti said @ 12:07am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:1 Insightful]
Somalier vs Alcoholic?
Cocaine Enthusiast vs crackhead?
Professional Gamer vs Me playing everquest in 1998?
NUANCE!
Mythtyn said @ 12:16am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:1 Insightful]
Many of us fell to Evercrack. When i logged off for the very last time I had 1 year of game time. I knew it was time.
Nextdooryeti said @ 12:50am GMT on 28th Dec
I literally lost friends and at least one ridiculously hot kind sweet girlfriend to that godforsaken piece of programming.
I feel like you and I are survivors of a great and terrible war.
Anyone that disagrees obviously wasn't there man.
Semper nektulos
Arravis said[1] @ 7:20am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:2]
I had my own guild in EQ and met my wife in EQ... we both quit cold turkey when she moved in. I already got the best loot, whats the point of playing after that? (plus we started a D&D group, so it was really pointless)
Dienes said @ 12:53am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:1 Funny]
I'm p sure I lost at least one boyfriend to WoW. 7 years clean this fall.
Nextdooryeti said @ 12:55am GMT on 28th Dec
You call me if you need me to talk you off that ledge.
hellboy said @ 3:16am GMT on 28th Dec
War was the inevitable result of you choosing to date multiple boyfriends.

Based on the other article just posted, anyway, but I just skimmed it, may have missed some nuance.
Dienes said @ 4:05am GMT on 28th Dec
No no, that article was on polygamy. Polyandry is a-okay.
hellboy said @ 5:46am GMT on 28th Dec
Ah right, that's what I get for skimming. Makes sense - judging from my extensive research, lonely single women never get up to anything more dangerous than pillow fights.
Bruceski said @ 1:51am GMT on 28th Dec
It was FFXI for me, I had severe depression at the time and the game was feeding off of every unhealthy aspect of that and my anxiety and such. I finally walked away when I realized it felt like a chore and I was getting zero enjoyment out of it. Later I got into WoW but I felt like I could take it on my own terms rather than being beholden to finding a party and letting them down and all of that fun anxiety stuff.
Nextdooryeti said @ 3:35am GMT on 28th Dec
Who can resist MMOCHOCOBO?!
Bruceski said @ 3:42am GMT on 28th Dec
Nobody, until WoW came along with its "you can just solo stuff! You can log in for ten minutes and feel like you did something! There's interesting things to explore and find!"
Dienes said @ 12:51am GMT on 28th Dec
Congrats on quitting! The behavioral design of modern MMORPGs is beautiful and terrible.
Nextdooryeti said @ 12:56am GMT on 28th Dec
Second only to actual porn. I'm chafing.
rylex said @ 4:23am GMT on 28th Dec
My last account had a /played of 2 years and 35 days. Creation date was december 20th of 99, i got the account banned for good in jan of 03...

So yeah. I had no life for a good minute.
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:38pm GMT on 28th Dec
So you played 16 hours per day every day for 3 years? How?
rylex said @ 6:24pm GMT on 28th Dec
Working from home/living off savings and sleeping 4-6 hours per night.

I basically spent all my waking hours in game.
damnit said[1] @ 12:44am GMT on 29th Dec
I still remember the adventures of Ceciliantas.
http://www.thedauntless.com/cecil.html
steele said @ 12:15am GMT on 28th Dec
Nextdooryeti said @ 12:58am GMT on 28th Dec
I feel like a blonder, beardeder, pudgier version of Randy. Now I just need to win an Emmy.
damnit said @ 12:42am GMT on 29th Dec
Depends on your affluence and state of privilege in society.
Dienes said @ 12:50am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
That was fast. It was only floated out as a potential issue in the DSM-V fairly recently.

Saying "They'll come after professional gamers!!!!" is being silly and reactionary. A huge part of the diagnosis process is looking at overall functioning and context. No one diagnoses surgeons with OCD because they wash their hands a lot at work. Believe it or not, psychologists and psychiatrists can discriminate between pathological gameplay and professional gameplay.

This is really important. Not that I put much stock in diagnoses - they are just mentalistic, recursive labels - but by adding it to the ICD and DSM, you can increase awareness of the issue, you can spur more research in the issue, and you are more likely to get insurance coverage for the issue (which, in turn, means more assistance/treatment to those that need it).
Mythtyn said @ 12:57am GMT on 28th Dec
I was mostly joking. But was thinking the exact opposite not somebody going after professional gamers but professional gamers gaming the system. "Hey i can get disability while i work on my video game skills."
Nextdooryeti said @ 12:59am GMT on 28th Dec [Score:1 Yep ]
and all it takes is one counseling session a week.
"I can't help myself Doc, League of legends is a curse! A CURSE!!!"
Spark said @ 12:04pm GMT on 28th Dec
Oh enough of them definitely will, or at the very, very least there will be enough finger-pointing, belittling, and scare-mongering from the mainstream media, who've never really understood computer games as a recreational activity, that the general population will make the same assumptions as you. After that follows legislation. At best, there will be legislation about the types of psychological tricks and content a game can safely have (setting up a government-funded-if-not-controlled body to do so), at worst the legislation will restrict people's freedom to play computer games without the oversight of a small number of for-profit private companies, those with enough existing money to lobby the government, in the name of "keeping your children safe". Given the choice between 1) making society at large better and people happier, and 2) repeat business or punishment, I'm willing to put a bet on which way it'll end up going. I guarantee Jack Thompson is reading about this and intellectually jerking himself off so hard right now.
steele said @ 12:30pm GMT on 28th Dec
We should be working towards post-scarcity anyway not demonizing a handful of abusers.
Mythtyn said @ 1:18pm GMT on 28th Dec
Actually we should be working towards both. The abusers should be demonized but we should be working towards post-scarcity as well.
steele said @ 1:48pm GMT on 28th Dec
Why? All you're doing is demonising poor people for not following a work ethic that the upper class don't hold to themselves. I would rather have millions sitting at home smoking weed and playing video games off the government dime while society advances than them slaving away for shit wages doing menial work that could easily be done by an AI just to keep from starving. All so we can keep up the appearance of some bullshit lopsided work ethic? No thank you.
Mythtyn said @ 3:16pm GMT on 28th Dec
You're assuming that the people that fall into this category are only capable of working jobs that earn shit wages. I'm assuming that they have the ability to rise to not earn a shit wage or are wasting talent that they already have that would earn them well above a shit wage.
steele said @ 4:39pm GMT on 28th Dec
I'm not assuming that, I'm saying that's not alternative you're offering. The US (and I'd bet the UK as well) has a hefty history of what happens when you attack abuses of a social safety net. The outcome is a consistent shrinking of that safety net while the lower classes of society get left behind.
Mythtyn said @ 12:09pm GMT on 29th Dec
You're comment certainly pointed to you assuming that. If not, then how can you justify supporting someone staying on a safety net when that person is capable of earning a living (not at shit wages)? They just suck up money that should go to those that truly need it.
steele said[1] @ 12:32pm GMT on 29th Dec
Because we shouldn't need to earn a living. That's basically the point of post-scarcity.
3333 said @ 12:41am GMT on 31st Dec [Score:-1 Boring]
filtered comment under your threshold
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 3:56am GMT on 28th Dec
Yea generally the line for 'disorder' is where it impedes one's ability to survive & thrive.
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:52pm GMT on 28th Dec
How is gaming obsessively different than doing anything else obsessively?
damnit said @ 12:41am GMT on 29th Dec
In another article about this:

"Contrary to what was predicted, the study did not find a clear link between potential addiction and negative effects on health; however, more research grounded in open and robust scientific practices is needed to learn if games are truly as addictive as many fear."

Also, don't count on this clinical description appearing in the US anytime soon. Some haven't even adopted ICD-10 yet, let alone ICD-11.

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