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Monday, 13 March 2017
quote [ Many of these men (and women, too) would never admit that their hatred of Clinton was linked to her gender. She?s untrustworthy, they said?more so than a candidate who openly, compulsively lies more than any other candidate in recent memory. She?s corrupt, she has baggage, she?s shrill, she?s cold. Clinton was far from a perfect candidate, and there were lots of level-headed reasons to disagree with her. But it?s hard to look at the surplus of pure contempt lobbed at her over the years and not attribute it at least partly to the fact that she?s a woman. ]
If you still don't see it, if you still think that gender was not a major factor, I'm afraid you're unable to see it, and that is genuinely frightening.
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kylemcbitch said @ 9:17am GMT on 13th March
And that is exactly why I said sexism was a huge factor.
Trump should have been hung out right along side her. But that's the problem of the inequity of our system, one of those two people are still going to win in the end.
While you and I certainly agree that Trump was the worst choice, there is enough room here to say there is cause to vote for him if you feel strongly enough on specific issues vs general.
For example, there is nothing wrong with the argument that "I voted for Trump, because I could not in good conscience vote for the candidate who's party undermined faith in the election process."
You can poke holes, such as by pointing out Trump has since claiming millions of people are voting illegally is functionally the same thing (because it is.) Or that the Republicans undermined the election through gerrymandering, but then you will at best have created a non-voter or 3rd party voter (which according to people here, is the same thing as a Trump voter anyway.)
Take me, for an example. I will openly admit to you that I did not vote for Hillary Clinton out of outright bias against something not her fault: her husband's policies and how they effected people in my own life.
I am happy she lost. I am not happy Trump won.
But that is the system we got, isn't it? The same problem with the system is the problem with the argument: lack of nuance.
kylemcbitch said @ 9:36am GMT on 13th March
And that is exactly why I said sexism was a huge factor.
Trump should have been hung out right along side her. But that's the problem of the inequity of our system, one of those two people are still going to win in the end.
While you and I certainly agree that Trump was the worst choice, there is enough room here to say there is cause to vote for him if you feel strongly enough on specific issues vs general.
For example, there is nothing wrong with the argument that "I voted for Trump, because I could not in good conscience vote for the candidate who's party undermined faith in the election process."
You can poke holes, such as by pointing out Trump has since claiming millions of people are voting illegally is functionally the same thing (because it is.) Or that the Republicans undermined the election through gerrymandering, but then you will at best have created a non-voter or 3rd party voter (which according to people here, is the same thing as a Trump voter anyway.)
Take me, for an example. I will openly admit to you that I did not vote for Hillary Clinton out of outright bias against something not her fault: her husband's policies and how they effected people in my own life.
I am happy she lost. I am not happy Trump won.
But that is the system we got, isn't it? The same problem with the system is the problem with the argument: lack of nuance.
I am the uneducated white person this article is talking about. Do you honestly believe I think I am being left behind because I am white, or that I am afraid of minorities in charge of things?
Or to put it more towards the statement of the article posted here... do you think I have overlooked Trump's failings, or given him a pass on things I shouldn't have vis-a-vis misogyny? Granted you and I have had our differences, but I'd hope you don't think I hate women.
There are plenty of people that do. Of course there are. But if your argument is "Misogynists are fine by Americans. Women in power are not" you're going to have the problem that many, many people, didn't like either candidate. You can't assume the values of a person based on a popular vote alone.
I didn't vote for Trump, I also didn't vote for Hillary. I know people in my same position (can't vote for a Clinton, deeply personal reasons) that only voted Trump because Hillary looked like she would win. They didn't agree with a single thing Trump had to say, loathed him immensely, but felt they owed it to someone important to them not let her have it without a fight.
So long we keep talking in blanket statements like this, the longer it is going to take to fix.
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kylemcbitch said @ 9:17am GMT on 13th March
And that is exactly why I said sexism was a huge factor.
Trump should have been hung out right along side her. But that's the problem of the inequity of our system, one of those two people are still going to win in the end.
While you and I certainly agree that Trump was the worst choice, there is enough room here to say there is cause to vote for him if you feel strongly enough on specific issues vs general.
For example, there is nothing wrong with the argument that "I voted for Trump, because I could not in good conscience vote for the candidate who's party undermined faith in the election process."
You can poke holes, such as by pointing out Trump has since claiming millions of people are voting illegally is functionally the same thing (because it is.) Or that the Republicans undermined the election through gerrymandering, but then you will at best have created a non-voter or 3rd party voter (which according to people here, is the same thing as a Trump voter anyway.)
Take me, for an example. I will openly admit to you that I did not vote for Hillary Clinton out of outright bias against something not her fault: her husband's policies and how they effected people in my own life.
I am happy she lost. I am not happy Trump won.
But that is the system we got, isn't it? The same problem with the system is the problem with the argument: lack of nuance.
I am the uneducated white person this article is talking about. Do you honestly believe I think I am being left behind because I am white, or that I am afraid of minorities in charge of things?
Or to put it more towards the statement of the article posted here... do you think I have overlooked Trump's failings, or given him a pass on things I shouldn't have vis-a-vis misogyny? Granted you and I have had our differences, but I'd hope you don't think I hate women.
There are plenty of people that do. Of course there are. But if your argument is "Misogynists are fine by Americans. Women in power are not" you're going to have the problem that many, many people, didn't like either candidate. You can't assume the values of a person based on a popular vote alone.
I didn't vote for Trump, I also didn't vote for Hillary. I know people in my same position (can't vote for a Clinton, deeply personal reasons) that only voted Trump because Hillary looked like she would win. They didn't agree with a single thing Trump had to say, loathed him immensely, but felt they owed it to someone important to them not let her have it without a fight.
So long we keep talking in blanket statements like this, the longer it is going to take to fix.
