Saturday, 12 November 2016

We Have To Create A Culture That Won’t Vote For Trump   - The Establishment

quote [ You can make whatever excuses you want—you can talk about how Hillary was unlikeable, how Bernie would have been better, how the Rust Belt just wants jobs—you can say all that, but it doesn’t matter. Because what Trump loudly and openly promised was White Supremacist Patriarchy. He didn't hide it. ]

White people need to recognise what's happening, and stop fucking apologising for it an excusing it, and actually do something.
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[by Dalillama]
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kylemcbitch said @ 9:45am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh?

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.


kylemcbitch said @ 9:48am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh?

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.


kylemcbitch said @ 9:51am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh? Have you looked?

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.


kylemcbitch said @ 9:55am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh? Have you looked? Because history openly acknowledges this.

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.


kylemcbitch said @ 9:59am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh? Have you looked? Because history openly acknowledges this. It's happening also in Greece right now.

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.


kylemcbitch said @ 10:00am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh? Have you looked? Because history openly acknowledges this. It's happening also in Greece right now.

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.



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kylemcbitch said @ 9:45am GMT on 14th November
Not a single one, huh? Have you looked? Because history openly acknowledges this. It's happening also in Greece right now.

Look, we don't disagree on most this. I am not saying to sweep racism under the rug like it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that there are two factors in play, and both are answered with the same thing. America becoming more progressive after World War 2 was not a weird anomaly. The mobilization of industrial sector coupled with a shared struggle started to ease those views down.

Did we still have racism? Of course we did. It wasn't solved overnight, and we had a lot of problems since. This issue is answered by doing both: fixing the economic situation that created it in the first place, and keeping the narrative on racism and sexism in the spot light.

It was not solved by declaring everyone deplorable and calling it a night. That's never helped anyone. The Rust Belt went for Regan... just like EVERY FUCKING STATE DID. You can claim up and down it was this or that, but the answer is clearly the bullshit that went down it the Iran Hostages, and you know it... and frankly I am shocked that you would think you could sneak that by someone even mildly familiar with history.

The Republicans are the party to blame for most, if not entirely all of what happened to the Rust Belt. But do you understand how the average person reacts to betrayal? It is not to sit there and think it out logically. They react with their gut. What should terrify us is that someone tapped into that feeling and directed it towards minorities while promising to deliver on the failed promise of those who these people felt betrayed them.

I am not going to make excuses for the South. Because they aren't the ones we can't win without. That fact needs to sink in. Unless these electoral points can be regained somewhere else on the map, we have to start figuring out how to win these people back and it's going to be done by tying them over and over to racist reactionaries even though that is what feels good to us to do. Because I promise, the same thing is happening on the other side of this conversation elsewhere. They are tying every protest that gets out of hand to every last one of us on the left and saying it just proves their point for them.

Does it change your opinion on how you feel about politics and elections when confronted with that? Or, does make you want to double down and state emphatically that no, that's not fair and not representative? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Right?

Yes, the privileged I am speaking of is racist. So is the resentment. I fully acknowledge the racism inherent to what we are discussing. I am also pointing out that pointing that racism out didn't help, did it? We need a better message than that. Not because the message is wrong, but because it's not effective. I want to solve the problem, not inflame it further.




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