Saturday, 1 July 2017

Is America Heading for a Civil War? -

quote [ A year ago, Ross Douthat also wondered whether American society was unravelling. Is America heading for a civil war, and what would be the global implications of such an event? Only ten years ago, such a question would have been laughed at, but it is now all too common. ]

When Trump won, I opined that there could very well be armed conflict between the rich and the poor. The law would be on the side of the haves and the have-nots would wage a guerrilla action—becoming, in essence, terrorists. Northern Ireland provided an effective model for my thinking.
[SFW] [dystopian violence]
[by Bob Denver@1:08amGMT]

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mechavolt said[1] @ 2:24am GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
Meh. 74% of politically motivated murders in the US are by right-wing extremists (source). We get one left-wing attack and suddenly all of the pundits are talking about civil war. Get over yourselves.
Dienes said @ 12:58pm GMT on 1st Jul
It only counts as violence when the left does it.
Ankylosaur said @ 2:43pm GMT on 1st Jul
If you view people on the left, the presumable targets of right-wing violence, as "not even people", then obviously it wouldn't count.
3333 said @ 10:12am GMT on 1st Jul [Score:-3 Boring]
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mechavolt said @ 2:10pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:-1 Good]
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3333 said @ 3:08pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:-1]
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eggboy said @ 9:46pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
I now there's some people on here that most of us disagree with, but the downmodding has become sort of a kneejerk reaction to the handles in a lot of cases. If they're being trolls or arseholes go shead, but I'm seeing more and more the downvotes getting piled on merely for stating a different point of view or for writing something in the past which people think invalidates every thing they have to say from then on.

What would be even the fucking point of coming here to discuss things if we didn't have a variety of points of view, may as well be fucking reddit.
pleaides said @ 10:50pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:0 Underrated]
TESTIFY
1234 said @ 11:06pm GMT on 3rd Jul


lilmookieesquire said @ 1:18am GMT on 1st Jul
I just think people who oppose trump are the same kind of people that fled to Canada during the revolution.
Fish said @ 12:37pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:-3]
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Fish said @ 4:02am GMT on 2nd Jul [Score:-4]
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lilmookieesquire said @ 10:45pm GMT on 2nd Jul [Score:-4]
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Hugh E. said @ 1:30am GMT on 1st Jul
What a Fair and Balanced™ take on the situation.
bbqkink said @ 1:46am GMT on 1st Jul
"I opined that there could very well be armed conflict between the rich and the poor."

Well if 2018 goes red...

A Billionaire-Backed 'Movement' Is Dangerously Close to Calling a Constitutional Convention

I have to believe this is the end game

The Koch Brothers Want A New Constitution — And They’re Closer Than You Think
damnit said @ 2:17am GMT on 1st Jul
The show Quantico did that. They framed the dude to stop the convention , showing that he'd sell out the country to keep his goals in line.
HoZay said @ 3:25am GMT on 1st Jul
there could very well be armed conflict between the rich and the poor

More likely armed terrorism aimed at suppressing minorities, because historically, we've done that quite a lot.
Fish said @ 12:40pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:-4 Boring]
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machpi said @ 6:41am GMT on 1st Jul
"Only 10 years ago, such a question would have been laughed at."

It takes a lot of ingredients for a real civil war to happen. The US has peculiarly and maybe uniquely always had the necessary ingredients at hand *as a matter of first principles*, and yet it happens hardly ever.

As long as the law of the land appears to be valid, the chance of civil war is very low. Personally, I've been more or less impressed that the three parts of government have not *yet* colluded with each other or been co-opted by one another. Attempts have been made continuously, but they always fail. Always, because good people end up doing the job they were hired to do.

While I wouldn't laugh at the possibility now, I thought it was worthy of not laughing at ten years ago either. Or twenty or thirty.

It's undeniable that we are living in interesting times. But revolution? None of us has seen it. It isn't pretty, and it isn't predictable.

Here's to interesting times becoming boring again.

Bruceski said @ 6:51am GMT on 1st Jul
I think I agree. It comes up easily as a frustrated rhetoric (I heard it after Bush Jr was elected) but there's a difference between that and worry (albeit not TOO serious worry) it might actually happen.
foobar said @ 3:21pm GMT on 1st Jul
I think dissolution is far more likely, and probably peacefully this time because neither side really wants to share a nation with the other.

It's for the best. What, culturally, does California or Oregon really share with Mississipi?
Hugh E. said @ 5:41pm GMT on 1st Jul
+1 Funny?
C18H27NO3 said[1] @ 1:57pm GMT on 1st Jul
It took ten years for the United States civil war to actually start. It started a year after Lincoln was elected, and he wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states. The issue of slavery and divisions were around since the 1850's.

The kind of antagonism and hate for liberalism and liberal states is overwhelming. And it's being fueled by the media arm(s) of the government, as well as the POTUS and certain members of congress. It should also be noted that law enforcement agencies are siding with the conservative controlled government, and the justice depart and the SCOTUS is being crafted that way as well. It's a well known fact that the military leans heavily to the right.

It's been brewing under the surface for at least four -six years. This NRA add isn't targeting or defending the second amendment. It is targeting liberalism. Period.

http://theweek.com/articles/709259/why-nra-turned-from-fear-hate

I wouldn't hold my breath.
sitswithacookie said @ 1:05am GMT on 2nd Jul
Imagine seeing this without our weird and terrible cultural context.


"They called the president a liar, they called my friend names,
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anyway join my organization where we play with guns, talk about guns, talk about dumb people who are afraid of guns, and no one makes fun of you for naming your guns.
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PS : The Clenched Fist of Truth is my gun's name."

3333 said @ 12:55am GMT on 3rd Jul

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