Thursday, 15 June 2017

Donald Trump’s secret isn’t that he lies. It’s that he crowds out the truth.

quote [ For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose ]

Trump is still controlling the media.

Here is the essay mentioned in the story.


Here is another view with a bit more of a cyber slant.

The Art of the Real
Disinformation vs. democracy
[SFW] [politics] [+1 Underrated]
[by bbqkink@5:05amGMT]


lilmookieesquire said @ 5:09am GMT on 15th Jun
He also does this with topics by distracting from important issues with fluff.
bbqkink said @ 5:12am GMT on 15th Jun
Here chase the shinny object.
Fish said @ 11:12am GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-5 Boring]
filtered comment under your threshold
rylex said @ 1:03pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
and now he we are downmodding your dumb ass on teh last bastion of internets freedom.

Oh the humanity. Someone call Numbers or Steve Bannon
Fish said @ 2:56am GMT on 16th Jun

You realize you're making my point, right?

Your side can't win on merits, so you have to shut down all dissent.

How's that brown shirt look in the mirror, mein komrad?
rylex said @ 5:09am GMT on 16th Jun
i thought we won based on merit of argument long ago?

And you realize I was mocking your point right?
rylex said @ 5:12am GMT on 16th Jun
and i could be confused, but i thought your alt-nazi movement friends were ramming it down people's throats with all the outspoken rallies and speeches and shit.

if anything, we are keeping people's throats safe of rape by the likes of you
Fish said @ 6:13pm GMT on 16th Jun
your alt-nazi movement friends

Please provide evidence of me or anyone I know being a Nazi. ProTip: you can't

Supressing speech (Milo and Ann Coulter in California recently), breaking heads (all over the place), stealing elections (hello Bernie), and shooting your political opponents (Alexandria) are all actual acts perpetrated by your Progressive friends.

Which makes you full of shit.

rylex said[1] @ 10:25pm GMT on 16th Jun
actually, im an anarchist, none of the progressives on this board are my friends.

our views do overlap sometimes.

heres a counter point for you.

milo and coulter are both bigots. the thwarting of their nazi-esque rallies to promote these causes is a good sign of how far most of us have progressed as people.yourself excluded.
Fish said @ 12:27am GMT on 17th Jun
Anrchist my ass, you're a fucking authoritarian. And a cowardly pussy too.

milo and coulter are both bigots.

That's an opinion. Denying them their First Amendment rights shows that you– yourself– are the danger to freedom.

the thwarting of their nazi-esque rallies to promote these causes is a good sign of how far most of us have progressed

Thing real hard about what you typed right there.

yourself excluded.

Happy to be on this side of the fence.

rylex said @ 2:14am GMT on 17th Jun
geez you truly are a fucking retarded troll.

look up the definition of bigot, you fucking bigot.

They aren't being denied their first amendment rights. they are being allowed to speak. the gov isnt stopping them. The citizenry whom supposedly makes the laws for our nation are. see, the freedom of speech also carries with it the responsibilty of standing behind your beliefs, and facing the repercussions caused by what you said.
so when you go around saying racist, ignorant statements, it's bound to piss someone off and they will take action as they feel appropriate.
That's the true beauty of our freedom here in the US.

so your pathetic attempts at trolling and straw man arguments are weaker than a baby fart. go live in fear.

also... i think you meant "think" instead of "thing". and I did think about my statement and stand by it.

ps: learn to troll
Fish said @ 3:58am GMT on 17th Jun

rylex said @ 4:40am GMT on 17th Jun
Fish said @ 5:30am GMT on 17th Jun
Race card?

How 2008.
3333 said @ 6:31pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-1 Boring]

"Shut up" they argued.

lilmookieesquire said @ 9:10pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:0 Underrated]
I was actually with him for the first sentence. There's a chunk of users on here arguing that exact same thing as reason for supporting Bernie or progressives- disillusionment with the new-democrats, which I feel are old republicans, and the old republicans turned, basically, fascist. The new-democrats would be more like supporting oligarchy methinks.

Anyway, fish's comment isn't really that useful because the divisions of "no you're fascist" etc are only beneficial to the parties in power.

TL;DR: "Shut up"
3333 said @ 9:27pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-1]

Perhaps it’s just nostalgia, but once upon a time the left used to pride itself in its openness to diversity, even diversity of opinion. It was sure enough in its positions that it welcomed debate as a proving ground for those ideas. Now, instead of engaging in debate, it shuts down debate, shouts down opposing views, and no platforms opponents rather that debating them. It’s gotten flabby as a result. It’s reduced to group think and virtue signaling – most of all it’s about shutting others up.

That censorious impulse is on display on this site every day.

sanepride said @ 10:50pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-1]
Just so happens that most people on this site are on the left side of things but people on the right who present a reasonable argument will generally find a receptive forum for debate and discussion. If you prefer to just troll and whine, that's a different story.
Meanwhile, I'm not exactly seeing a diversity of opinion on the right-leaning sights I check in on every so often. I do see plenty of anger and, of all things, whining.
As reflected in the fact that the party of 'NO' that the Republicans turned themselves into during the Obama years is still the party of NO, even with control of the White House and both houses. Until the GOP can figure out what it's for, it will remain a majority without the ability to actually govern, therefore won't remain a majority for very long.
mechavolt said[1] @ 10:56pm GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-1]
I am all for reasonable debate. Key word there being reasonable. If someone's opening argument is essentially, "No, you're the fascist", I ain't got time for that shit. Trolling is not reasonable debate.
rylex said @ 12:09am GMT on 16th Jun [Score:-1]
sounds like you're whining because no one gives a fuck about your twisted logic anymore.

We tried for years to debate it.

Came to realize there's no point in arguing with ignorant bigots.
sanepride said @ 10:54pm GMT on 15th Jun
Fishpenners isn't so much making that argument as using it as an excuse to troll. Just as he did on old SE.
rylex said @ 12:00am GMT on 16th Jun [Score:0 Underrated]
ahhhhh, Numbers! There's my bitch.

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