Monday, 12 June 2017

Megyn Kelly's plan to interview Alex Jones angers Sandy Hook shooting victims' parents

quote [ Megyn Kelly sits down with Alex Jones, providing him with a platform for his bizarre conspiracy theories

Megyn Kelly, the new star of NBC on Sunday nights, is off to a less-than-compelling start as she now gears the country up for “controversies and conspiracies” in her interview with the far-right InfoWars host Alex Jones. One of his most disgusting conspiracy theories was that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually a hoax, and a mother who lost her child in the tragedy is speaking out against the interview. ]

She's trying to compete with Sixty Minutes, so, Happy Fathers Day, grieving parents!

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[by HoZay@6:11pmGMT]


3333 said @ 4:03pm GMT on 16th Jun [Score:1 WTF]

Alex Jones leaks the interview:
kylemcbitch said @ 4:09pm GMT on 16th Jun
Of course that fucking slimey fucker would record someone without permission.
lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 6:15pm GMT on 12th Jun
Why is this crazy bitch on a major news network? And Alex Jones?

News media is dead.
steele said @ 6:18pm GMT on 12th Jun
It's weird how all these for profit entities keep doing things that aren't in the best interest of society.

sanepride said[1] @ 6:40pm GMT on 12th Jun
Not a big Megyn fan, but 'crazy bitch' is both inaccurate and inappropriate. She did a pretty good job as a debate moderator but she's kind of a lightweight when it comes to interviews. She publicly confirmed harassment allegations against Ailes and left Fox shortly afterward- a savvy move.
Now if you want to refer to Alex Jones as a crazy bitch, I'm all in (frankly I don't think that's strong enough in his case).
HoZay said @ 7:08pm GMT on 12th Jun
No, she's not crazy. Pretty cynical, though. She spent years advancing Ailes' agenda, now she's willing to give Jones exposure, which won't hurt him, even if it's framed as negative..
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:17pm GMT on 12th Jun
Hey she and NBC are putting Alex Jones and a major News Network.

You're welcome to your opinion but my description is both accurate and very appropriate of both her and NBC by proxy.
sanepride said @ 8:06pm GMT on 12th Jun
Out of principle I do object to giving Jones any major forum outside of his twisted world but the terrible reality is that Trump made this abomination possible. He's the one who elevated Jones to something resembling 'legitimacy'. As long as we have a self-serving conspiracy theorist in the White House there's no denying the outsize influence Alex Jones now has. Not defending the interview, but that's why it's happening.
lilmookieesquire said @ 10:09pm GMT on 12th Jun
It's happening because they are trying to kiss the administrations arse in a way that their fan base can digest and they want ratings.

My point is, is that Alex Jones shouldn't be on the air. Grace whatsherface has no journalistic integrity what-so-ever, and that, by proxy, neither does NBC. I expect CNN to pull this kind of stuff off, but for some reason NBC disappoints me by doing this.
bbqkink said[2] @ 8:21pm GMT on 12th Jun
But we can't say Trumps name...And if you are really worried about all this you might want to consider that Trump has given them press can't get much more main stream than that.

Just like Trump cockroaches run when you shine a light on them. we need to expose them for what they are.
lilmookieesquire said @ 10:15pm GMT on 12th Jun
Man. If you don't know my position by now, there's not a lot of point in talking about it. I have a pretty consistent position.

Trump didn't "do" this. His funders did. The backers of Alex Jones did. The people who created and funded brietbart and fox news did. Trump rode that media into the whitehouse but that's partially on the democrats too.

Still I'd rather focus on local politics and democrat (especially progressive) advances. Feel free to shine lights on the cockroaches. It's good to understand how they work and what they are up to, but I think pushing the trump administration with lawsuits and policies and threatening their states is highly superior to letting Trump drive the narrative.

Trump is an attention whore and you guys are welcome to give him what he wants.
sanepride said @ 10:41pm GMT on 12th Jun
All your points are valid except the part about not giving Trump attention.
Now that the guy occupies the most powerful office in the world you ignore him at your peril.
lilmookieesquire said @ 8:52pm GMT on 13th Jun
Literally nothing I'm saying is about ignoring Trump.its about focusing on how to resist trump vs letting him control the narrative- which is literally his greatest strength.
bbqkink said[1] @ 12:02am GMT on 13th Jun
First of all your premise is false.

"His funders did".

Trump got nominated on Bullshit and Chutzpah. He didn't spend shit. He got free mainstream media and dominated on social media.

He did get help in the general by Mercer( funded brietbart) and the RNC (Fox) and a lot of generic R's, who no matter what they had said about him got in line. But ignoring cancer is not a good plan.

"Still I'd rather focus on local politics and democrat (especially progressive) advances."

Well ya all politics is local...Big one in Virginia tomorrow especially for folks like me who are interested on who will have power inside the DNC. Progressive vs. 3rd way Party loyalist, should be interesting.

The reason is that these sorts of things will decide how the resources will be used who will get the money and who will come and make a speech...that is how local races get won or lost.

We have a bit of a Governor problem here, and I have a Trumpite as a representative.

Oh a side note 538 has it...
"Democrats Have A Slight Edge In The Georgia 6 Runoff
But the race is too close to call."
kylemcbitch said @ 7:43pm GMT on 12th Jun
Regardless how I feel about Kelly, my philosophical enemy is Alex Jones. I am a rationalist sceptic, and I will take any one that will take Jones to task for conspiracy theory that is easily disproved.
HoZay said @ 7:48pm GMT on 12th Jun
Trouble is, Jones doesn't mind being taken to task. There's no bad publicity to him.
kylemcbitch said @ 8:19pm GMT on 12th Jun
So? He has publicity all the same, regardless. At least being taken to task on major news networks will mean his acolytes will have to defend it. The goal here being to expose THEM for the stupid assholes they are, so less people take them seriously about other things... like, for example: Trump.
foobar said @ 8:21pm GMT on 12th Jun
His presence isn't needed for that.
kylemcbitch said @ 8:23pm GMT on 12th Jun
Yes it is. It absolutely is. By attacking his message without him there, that leaves the escape hatch of "well, she didn't represent his views correctly." So let him represent them himself.
foobar said @ 8:54pm GMT on 12th Jun
He's recorded. She can play his exact words.
kylemcbitch said[1] @ 8:56pm GMT on 12th Jun
Not good enough. That argument presupposes that the escape hatch is based on logic. It's not.

When dealing with a cult of personality, like with Jones, the most effective way to diminish them is to get the personality in question on the record and responding to challenges. It's why Jim Jones ran to Guyana, and it's why Trump will sooner remove his own testicles than actually appear under oath before congress.
foobar said @ 9:31pm GMT on 12th Jun
Didn't work out for Jimmy Fallon.
rylex said @ 7:49pm GMT on 12th Jun
at this stage in the game, i dont think jones honestly believes any of his shtick. Just an act/persona invented to bilk money from conspiracy theorists
kylemcbitch said @ 8:20pm GMT on 12th Jun
Yes, that is true. However, this is about Jones. It's about everyone else. You don't, for example, refute a racist trying to get the racist to change their mind. That is impossible. You do it so everyone around who witnesses it knows better than to take that person seriously.
C18H27NO3 said[1] @ 9:31pm GMT on 12th Jun
Not if the people who surround him or listen to his vomit are also racists. All it does then is create more animosity and anger. Like what we have now with dumpster followers.

He's not playing to you, or me, or anybody with half a brain. "Everybody" else already knows he's a slimy, self important opportunist. Him, like his conservative buddies, know how to play human emotion. So in the end, it's a battle of Logic v Emotion. Human history has show that emotion wins most of the time.

Not giving him a mainstream platform to communicate with his followers would seem to be the best course of action. His 'viewpoint' should be shoved underground and marginalized, not highlighted or legitimized. It's like Bill Nye "debating" creationists.
kylemcbitch said @ 9:41pm GMT on 12th Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
Rebuttal: What was it that killed Milo's career?

Was it deplatforming him, or was it getting him on the record and getting that record into the wider public consciousness?
rylex said @ 11:19pm GMT on 12th Jun
i think it was his comments about young boys that did him in.

so you are right about getting it on the record. but i still present the view that it didn't matter until his opinions crossed a certain line.
kylemcbitch said @ 11:24pm GMT on 12th Jun [Score:2]
Exactly my point!

We already know he has monstrous, and stupid things to say. So lets give him a microphone and an audience that is not conditioned to accept what he says outright.
kylemcbitch said @ 10:18pm GMT on 13th Jun
sanepride said @ 8:12pm GMT on 12th Jun
Based on the preview I saw she'll take him to task, but really it would be better to not have him on at all. No one's mind will be changed, the people who either take Jones at his word or exploit his effluvia to justify their agendas (like the so-called POTUS) will carry on as usual, perhaps even more vigorously.
foobar said @ 8:20pm GMT on 12th Jun
This is why no-platforming is important.
kylemcbitch said @ 8:22pm GMT on 12th Jun
Let them. The goal here isn't the change minds. It's to expose to a larger audience just who's been capturing the narrative and undermine them through exposure. Anyone that comes out to defend it, will have to admit they believe such non-sense.

There is a line, even crazy conservatives have trouble crossing, and that is dead children. I am not saying it fixes everything, but it's the first step.
sanepride said @ 8:50pm GMT on 12th Jun
Of course one big question is how the interview goes. Typically I can sympathize with the argument that we should put the crazy/evil out there where we can see it for what it is, but I don't see that in this case it accomplishes anything, other than a wider audience for Jones. But we'll see, maybe she'll utterly destroy and humiliate him on network TV, but that assumes he has even a modicum of conscience and shame. I guess we'll see.

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