Maybe we should all put signs in front of our businesses that say, "We don't serve Nazi folk here." To really drive the point home, we could even make them drink from separate water fountains than the rest of us!

Actually, yes. That's a great idea.

Only if your goal is more of them.

I think there's something to be said for not allowing hate to be normalized. To me, that seems to be what's happening here.

Because as long as your hate is righteous it's okay right? When they call people derogatory terms and call for violence and discrimination against them it's wrong because they're not on the right side, but when we do it, it's totally different.

MLK Jr. Day was January 15th and Facebook was filled one of his most popular quotes:
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

Not even two weeks later Richard Spencer gets punched and many of those same people quoting the importance of not giving in to hate are proudly posting about the need to punch Nazis. The neo-nazi movement couldn't have asked for better publicity.

Victimization is a cornerstone to most movements. It doesn't matter if it's a gay rights movement, ISIS, or the christian right, victimization is at the heart of unity and recruiting. If you are not taking the high ground you are assisting their movement. History is filled with this discriminate and dehumanize shit over and over and over again.

Feel free to state your side of the argument, but don't tell me mine. I don't hate him. I don't believe anyone should be punched in the face for what they believe. And yes, that kind of press likely emboldens and gives cover to their cause.

But:

Neo-nazism is not equal to the civil rights movement, nor gender equality or LGBTQ rights. We don't teach creationsim alongside evolutionary theory in schools because the two are not equal. Spencer can believe what he wants and say what he likes, but I'm in favour of any action that opposes the normalization of his worldview. He and his ilk can cry victimization. What it is is a rejection by civil society.

I'm not telling you yours, I'm responding to what you just upmodded, the same arguments foobar and quite a few others have been making, but thank you for clarifying your stance.

Fuck equal, equal means nothing. I'm talking about how this shit has demonstrably worked throughout history. You say "we don't" but down here in america "we do" and that's because of exactly the reasons i stated above. There is no concrete morally correct place in this world. The vast majority simply assigns that role to their side and fuck everybody else. For every concrete place you stand I guarantee there is someone to the left or right of you who disagrees just as resolutely. The US's most recent election demonstrated that pretty clearly.

Favour whatever you want, but "being right" clearly isn't working out as an actual solution.

If you want to talk about what has demonstrably worked against Nazi in history, well, I'm happy to pull out the machine guns and build the gallows.

worked*

*worked has a limited warranty, terms and conditions may apply. Warranty not valid in countries with major civil rights infractions, extensive financial links to the Third Reich, or where the only version of the not Fascism is Fascism Lite. Limited warranty is valid only for one historically significant verison of Nazis and cannot be applied to additional related ideologies no matter how functionally similar they may be.

You can't have it both ways. Either we look to history or we don't.

I am looking to history. I'm saying your definition of worked has so many loopholes that it's laughable. You know why the US took so long to get involved with WW2? Because a large number of the big wig politicians and industrial magnates were in bed with the Nazis or were alright with what they were doing. Those same families are still heavily active in American politics, and heavily invested in the Military Industrial complex. WW2 didn't end Nazis, it didn't end facism, it didn't even stop mass Genocide. It popped a single zit on the acne ridden face of a species going through global puberty.

I mean Jesus, surely you see the irony of the United States of the 1930s fighting the Nazis and claiming a "Moral High Ground" right? We don't even have a moral high ground in 2017, but back then the Civil Rights movement still hadn't occurred and even as shitty as the American government treats Native Americans now, it was exponentially worse back then.

It didn't put anyone in ovens though. There is that.

No, we were not nearly that efficient.

It's a start.

Towards what?

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Not being horrible?

Not so much. There was a link missing from my previous comment.
13th

One step at a time.

This. We do not, in fact, need to tolerate intolerance. It is okay to think promoting eugenics of non-white people is bad and they are bad for thinking it. And, unless those views are challenged, they will continue to be normalized and tacitly endorsed.

Its her right to call him out on being a racist piece of shit. she didn't advocate for violence. She didn't harm him. She just said out loud the exact same things he's said out loud in massive public venues. And she's right to say she feels unsafe around him - he's called for literal ethnic cleansing, for fuck's sake.

He doesn't get to whine about the politics he does for a living intruding on his personal life when his entire MO is making sure his politics get in the personal life of everyone else - mostly those he deems inferior to him.

I hear they're easily distracted. Maybe we could put them in special camps where they could concentrate on not being Nazis.

We could even brand them so everybody knows what they are! I think we're on to something!

The fuck is up with 'alt right' anyhow? Is it easier to say than nazi? Is there any significant difference I'm not getting?

Most people wouldn't align with someone who self-identified as nazi. It's a deliberately fuzzy term to confuse media talkers and provide deniability to supporters.

Nazis, I hate these guys.