I'm am fucking stoked for my planned trip to the States this year. I can't get anywhere near a gun here, on account of the violent crazy.

Just make sure you only visit heavily conservative states, in case you start to feel homicidal.

I'm hoping to go to Texas!

Perfect!

I think there's a pharmacy with a gun range in Corpus Christi, TX.

I'm pretty sure the mandate for me to be on my meds if I'm out in the community ends at the border. Although, in the heat I always need Gold Bond. So, that's convenient.

Lets see...

A rule was scheduled to go into effect that would...

1. Put a person on a list with no notification

2. Provide no process to challenge/appeal being on the list once a person found out... Denying that citizen their due process.

3. Used a pretty sketchy logic to make a medical decision about someone that doesn't follow any medical process or medical records.

4. If a person wanted to challenge the rule they found themselves a victim of, they'd have to hire a lawyer out of their own pocket and spend a couple years fighting the federal gov't.

It was a shit rule. I always find it odd that people from all over the political spectrum will cherry pick the parts of the constitution and rights they will stand up for but they are also willing to throw other people's rights away.

This wasn't so much about the second amendment as it was about due process. It is the same constitutional issue to be found with the no fly list.

***and look. My father is one of those people that would be on this list. He has Alzheimer's. I can tell you given his current condition he wouldn't be at a gun store buying a gun. That said, when he was in early onset prior to diagnosis he wouldn't have made this list and could have bought a firearm anyway. He also votes. He probably isn't sure who he is voting for but the old folks home loads him up in a bus with Mom and drive them to the polls.

Additionally I wouldn't call anyone on SS who doesn't manage their own SS finances "Severely mentally Ill"... I've seen numerous articles about this today and they all pretty much have that same tag line if by design... Except many of the articles fail to mention the SS aspect and lead the reader - probably intentionally to believe that this rule was for everyone who was mentally ill. I have close friend who is anti-gun and that is what he though after reading the NPR version of this.

What we need is two things. A change to the federal HIPAA law to allow the sharing of diagnosis for a select group of medical conditions or long term meds with the FBI's background check database. Then we can have a law that can legally block anyone from buying a firearm from a licensed dealer when they get flagged during the insta-check.

The rub there is both sides have to agree to what medical conditions should block a person from purchasing a gun... The NRA has indeed signaled it would support such legislation, but both sides would have to compromise on what those conditions would be.... I nominate Alzheimer's as it starts with an A and I can see first hand why those diagnosed with it or any of the other related disease should not be able to purchase a firearm. Perhaps the easiest way to look at what should be on that list of ailments is to look at the known mental conditions/diagnosis of mass shooters over the past 30 years.

I'm all for it *** Provided there is a way to appeal it.

Nailed it!

'can't handle their own finances' can mean literally just that. Someone can be required to have a representative payee because they come in two days after getting their check EVERY month saying they're out of money.

Nobody, including the NRA and (most) gun 'nuts' want people who are fully batshit crazy to have guns. The issue is: what exactly defines that, who makes that decision, and is there a reasonable appeal process.

this is a great idea. maybe one of these people will get hold of a gun and shoot Trump

The mentally ill have a right to be just as scared of black people as as whites. Or giant rabbits.

The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about giant rabbits, so I guess they're allowed to own guns, too.

The only thing that can stop a bad giant rabbit with a gun is a good giant rabbit with a gun. Or a giant cucumber.

Fuck.The.NRA.

The ACLU lobbied for this too, somewhat disappointingly. I think their point was the decision that someone couldn't be trusted with their social security money could be designated completely arbitrarily.

The decision can be made by a medical professional for an absolutely valid reason. It can also be made because you pissed off the wrong person at the Social Security office.

So their money manager would have to pay for it...can't fly on a plane because you are too dangerous or too mentally ill to be trusted with money but ok to own deadly force...

You don't have to have severe mental problems to have your benefits set to require a representative payee. It's a one button entry that can be done by the worker at your local SSA office, and doesn't require any medical paperwork to accomplish. At least, that was the case the last time I dealt with them.

Can we just skip to Armageddon? It's the waiting that kills you.

Right after the Aurora CO shootings(Ronald McDonald at the movie theater), I responded to a thread, started by a gun nut, which was about 'oh gee, if only there was a way to keep guns out of the hands of madmen. I responded by suggesting a Liability Insurance requirement like most states have for cars, the rationale being Allstate probably would not have written Ronald McDonald a policy.

I answered responses like 'the NRA will do that for cheap", i said fine, wtf do i care who does it, would they write a policy for Ronald?

Eventually, it boiled down to my being told that, while I had not said "confiscate all the guns", that was plainly what I meant.

There is no negotiating,and frankly federal action will simply never be anything but shit like this. State level action is where it's at.

I live in Missouri. I assume everyone I meet is armed and mentally I'll.