Tuesday, 1 December 2015

We can save atheism from the New Atheists like Richard Dawkins | Jeff Sparrow

quote [ Why are the New Atheists such jerks? Case in point: Richard Dawkins continuing pursuit of Ahmed Mohamed, the Texas 14-year-old humiliated in school after authorities mistook his homemade clock for a bomb.

The other day, The God Delusion author called Ahmed a hoaxer and responded to suggestions he was only a kid by linking to a report about a juvenile Islamic State (Isis) fighter. And how old is this kid? Dawkins asked. ]

Does atheism need a Papa Francis? Is Dawkins to atheism as Dworkin to feminism? Is oudenangelism even necessary? Or can southern atheist just say, "Bless your heart," and leave it at that?
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[by Hugh E.@12:38amGMT]


WeiYang said @ 2:10am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:2]
As an atheist, one of the things about the overly religious, the "overly" part, is that they cannot seem to shut the fuck up and let other people swing their own dead cats, subject to the do-not-intersect-my-nose rule. So to say, they have an exaggerated view of the size their noses.

I used to be a "dawkinsian" fight starter. I felt so righteous about confronting those people who could not just leave people who did not believe the way they did alone...you see where I am going with this.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not an apologist for the cult of the easter bunny, but a bit less confrontation might lessen the karmic burden of the world. Necessary confrontation, say in matters of law, is...you know, necessary, and you do it and we are all big people. Going out of one's way to seek out people and be a dick to them is not necessary confrontation.
Hugh E. said @ 3:55am GMT on 1st Dec
"Don't misunderstand me. I am not an apologist for the cult of the easter bunny" is the "no homo" of atheism.
ENZ said @ 4:05am GMT on 1st Dec
Some of my best friends are Christian.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 4:16am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Funny]
All of their parents were incredibly non-creative when it came to naming their sons.
ENZ said @ 5:23am GMT on 1st Dec
My dad wanted to name me Wolfgang, but I guess he lost that argument, because I'm a fucking Joe.
cb361 said @ 1:00pm GMT on 1st Dec
Lucky Joe.
arrowhen said @ 9:48pm GMT on 1st Dec
I was supposed to be Andrew, but my racist grandmother vetoed it because of Amos 'n' Andy.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 10:43pm GMT on 1st Dec
I wonder what she thought of Andy Griffith?
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:01pm GMT on 2nd Dec
Maybe that's why Frances Bavier hated Andy Griffith.
conception said @ 7:54pm GMT on 1st Dec
Golden Rule. Don't be a Dick. Being kind and empathetic is the only religion we really need on this planet.
rndmnmbr said @ 6:26am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:2]
Not even atheists are proof against the basic human nature to demonize the "Other".
LogiCore10 said @ 1:26am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Insightful]
It does seem like Dawkins might be flirting with alzheimers.

However, I do think there needs to be a sort of aggressiveness when it comes to religiosity seen in the US and in other countries.

In my opinion, Christopher Hitchens was the perfect example of someone who was witty, cutting, and challenging. If you do a YouTube search of his debates it clearly shows that he was relentless in challenging current religious extremism.

Of course, he took the logical and historical approach. Unfortunately, you can't defeat emotional religious fervor with that as it is by nature emotional and irrational. But at least Christopher really went to the homes of those religious nuts and debated the hell out of them.
Menchi said @ 2:27am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
Alternate headline: "New Atheists Are All Dicks for Overgeneralizing a Group of People as All Being Dicks."
HoZay said @ 5:16am GMT on 1st Dec
Or "Why is Dawkins such a dick, I wonder."
Marcel said @ 4:27am GMT on 1st Dec
All we're talking about here is the fundamental nature of reality. Why does everyone make such a big deal out of it?
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 4:32am GMT on 1st Dec
For me, it's when they start passing laws making their "view of reality" part of government and how non-believers have to operate in society.
midden said @ 5:29am GMT on 1st Dec
Of the "Four Horsemen," I find Harris to be the most reasonable, measured, well thought out and most open to honest discussion and exploration of ideas and alternatives. I recently started listening to his podcast, and it's quite good. As far as I can tell, he's got nothing against brown people, just people who feel violence is not only acceptable to their sky spirit, but desired and commanded by it. And on top of that, they are more than happy to die themselves in carrying out that violence. What do you do in the face of that kind of absolute, divinely inspired hatred and violence? I certainly don't have the answers.
ooo[......7 said @ 9:07am GMT on 1st Dec
Penn Jillette on his latest podcast, speaks with an ex pastor about his brand of atheism and how it clashes with dawkins specifically.

he states that his style has always been the hippy happy atheism and that only recently has the majority begun to think along his lines.

check it out, i dont remember when he said it. sorry.

Penn's Sunday School
pleaides said @ 10:45am GMT on 1st Dec
With the greatest respect to you Hugh, this isn't worth the post. The Guardian has been debasing itself attacking Dawkins for years now, and the latest kerfuffle is based on a misunderstanding of what he was trying to say, which he hurriedly clarified with a series of subsequent tweets.

Similarly, the demonisation of Harris is based on malicious misrepresentations of his actual views. These views are spelled out meticulously in his written works, but 'quote mining' can reveal the kind of stuff that would make your hair stand on end.

Both of these gentlemen are honestly searching for truth in a very complicated argument, and a few minutes spent with their remarks in their totality would immediately assuage anyone who thinks otherwise. Compare them with their interlocutors for a moment and it'll soon be obvious who's on the right side in this situation.
taeyn said @ 9:39pm GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
"...which he hurriedly clarified with a series of subsequent tweets" is a quote i seem to read a lot these days. Why not use a better form of address than Twitter in the first place?
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 10:44pm GMT on 1st Dec
It's nigh instantaneous, can be shared, and has a guaranteed audience that may spread it to other social media.

That's the downside as well, if you say something unfortunate.
pleaides said @ 9:36am GMT on 3rd Dec
"Dishonest and harmful attacks on extreme secularism"

cb361 said @ 12:30pm GMT on 1st Dec
Most of the world leaders who resist American hegemony are jerks as well. Perhaps these are personality characteristics that go hand-in-hand.
mechavolt said @ 11:13pm GMT on 1st Dec
My problem with "atheists are jerks" is this: most atheists are not jerks. They're just living their lives. But 1) there are a few prominent jerk atheists, and 2) by the mere fact that atheists are an outsider group, they get labeled as jerks. This is by no means 1:1 comparable, but look at Black Lives Matters protesters. They don't even get a chance to speak their piece before being labelled as thugs without a cause. I mention I'm an atheist, and then literally the next thing I have to defend is if I'm a jerk about it.

Which brings me to another big peeve of mine: having to defend your atheism with the clarification, "but I'm not one of those jerk atheists." Like we're all so afraid of being labelled jerks, our first response is to distance ourselves from the very arguments that define what atheism is. When someone tells you they're Christian, there's no social need for them to explain, "but not one of those jerk Christians" despite the fact there are a bajillion more jerk Christians than atheists.

I guess what I'm saying is fuck Dawkins for being a jerk and tainting the word atheist, but I'm pretty sure it would be tainted the same way regardless of if Dawkins existed or not.

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