Saturday, 10 October 2020

YouTubers are upscaling the past to 4K. Historians want them to stop

quote [ The first time you see Denis Shiryaev’s videos, they feel pretty miraculous. You can walk through New York as it was in 1911, or ride on Wuppertal’s flying train at the turn of the 20th century, or witness the birth of the moving image in a Leeds garden in 1888. ]

I don't have much truck with the criticism. I really just wanted to bring attention to these amazing looking videos.
[SFW] [history] [+3 Interesting]
[by cb361@1:24pmGMT]

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cb361 said @ 1:29pm GMT on 10th Oct
mechavolt said @ 4:03pm GMT on 10th Oct
I agree with the historians/academics, but only to an extent. There's a huge difference between interpolation/extrapolation and making shit up. Filling in frames to increase the frame rate? Increased the resolution to make the image appear sharper? I'm all for that. It's based on data that already exist within the photos/films.

But the thing with colorization is that there often is zero internal data on what the color actually should be. The digital effects folks are using neural networks training on modern day images to predict the colors of 100 years ago. This makes the modernization no longer a "restoration" but a fictional creation of its own. Work of art? Yes. Cool as fuck? Hell yes. Historical document? No.
endopol said @ 5:02pm GMT on 10th Oct
Even interpolation can create some wacky artifacts. The wagon wheels at 1:20 are monstrously aliased.
snowfox said @ 12:02am GMT on 11th Oct
I think it's fine as long as the original is always available and the predictive version is clearly labeled as being something of a re-enactment of the original material.
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:09pm GMT on 12th Oct
But we all know that won't happen.
snowfox said @ 7:42pm GMT on 12th Oct
If it's any consolation history is already a warped reflection of the people who wrote it down. Most of what we know about the past involves extrapolation. Is it any worse if an AI does it? I'm hoping for less propaganda and more insertion of cats. We know the AI will assume from existing images that unidentifiable objects must be cats. Or a dick. But mostly cats.
mechanical contrivance said[1] @ 8:07pm GMT on 12th Oct [Score:1 Funny]
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a cat stamping on a human dick— forever.
captainstubing said @ 7:08am GMT on 11th Oct
I saw this a while back. I used to really enjoy olden days footage/ images because I woulds cackle, "Ha! You are all dead now!!!" But I turned 50 recently and it feels a bit shit doing that now. Looking at the kids in this I can't help but think, "You poor buggers, you have no idea what is coming for you over the next 43 years." Awful.

Anyhow, I think the reason I saw this a while ago was because I had watched a Ewe Chuber doing a video on it. I think this bloke has a good little channel. (I should probably rephrase that.)

Schwebebahn: Why Wuppertal's Trains Are Much Cooler Than Yours

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