Saturday, 18 May 2019

A placebo can work even when you know it's a placebo - Harvard Health Blog

quote [ A placebo can relieve symptoms even when the person taking it is aware it's a fake medication. ]

Where are the post streaks?
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5th Earth said @ 2:31am GMT on 19th May [Score:2 Insightful]
What I find really fascinating is the nocebo effect, when people suffer the negative side effects of a drug when not actually receiving it.
captainstubing said @ 10:15am GMT on 19th May [Score:2]
Yes, the stories we tell ourselves are pretty much most of what we are. I grew up in a family business in the pest control industry. One common story (some documented, some probably apocryphal) is of the notice going up in a city office building that pest control services would be undertaken over the weekend. Come Monday and the folks getting sick from it start dropping like flies. Headaches, nausea, respiratory issues; serious stuff. Many need to go home, some end up presenting at the medical centre or local hospital. Whether the work is undertaken or not does not matter, the results will be the same. Most firms have materials and advice ready for clients to help them deal with this effect.
Pandafaust said @ 2:09am GMT on 20th May [Score:1 Insightful]
There are quite a few debate type articles through the literature on the ethics of a doctor prescribing something they believe to be a placebo, or talking up the effects of something in order to help someone perk up. In general, it's regarded as something to be avoided because it's not our role. As in, you can go to someone who you know is providing a not scientifically based treatment and if you're comfortable with that's totally your right, but doctors aren't understood to be in that role. There's also the fact that you often are in a position of deep, intimate trust that may influence people to trust a judgement call on an alternative therapy or placebo that they normally wouldn't consider. Broadly I agree with this approach, though I don't sit in judgement of colleagues that take a different view (e.g. doctors that perform acupuncture, which does have some evidence base but probably acts as a placebo in at least some of the conditions it's commonly used for).

Now the hairy thing is when I accepted that argument then started working in a field which is so underfunded and poorly studied that a lot of what I do isn't well enough established to claim it's evidence based medicine - it's scientifically based "best guesses" from biology and pharmacology knowledge.
Or the times when every doctor will accept trying a treatment or ordering a test that they don't think is the best option because it's strongly the preference of the patient.
And sometimes you're 90% sure something is psychological but the person isn't ready to hear that so you might sow the seed that we need to consider this explanation, but nevertheless continue to treat or examine because they really do need to know you're taking them seriously to be able to trust the hard talk that comes later ...
ooo[......7 said @ 8:53pm GMT on 18th May
Where are the porn post streaks?
Ankylosaur said @ 10:41pm GMT on 18th May
They were inside you all along!
rylex said @ 5:37am GMT on 19th May
now they're on your monitor! or phone! or tablet!
conception said @ 11:14pm GMT on 18th May
Post streaks are hard! I haven't run across something really worth sharing every day of quality.
Paracetamol said @ 9:48am GMT on 19th May
I have, actually– but am missing the time to sift through them constantly.
3333 said @ 12:29am GMT on 20th May [Score:-2 Boring]
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conception said @ 4:15pm GMT on 20th May [Score:-1]
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conception said @ 11:15pm GMT on 18th May
Also, this is why I always take a multivitamin after a long night of drinking or going on vacation or drink a lot of OJ when I get sick. I know they don't work but they always work.

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