Large drug companies do seem to the closest thing to Satan that humanity has thus far invented.

Wouldn't the closest thing to Satan humanity has invented be Satan?

I think those were just the early rough sketches.

No, even then. Having your life saved by the most evil bastard (troll?) in the world doesn't relieve you of the obligation to do away with said bastard (troll?) once you are healthy.

That's just flat out wrong, and it's a harmful attitude. Some people very much do need heavy opioids, and they are in many cases the best medication for a given situation. Of course, you have to have a real medical system that allows for preventative, maintenance, and ongoing care. If you terrify your population with bankruptcy for ever going to the hospital, of course they're not going to fucking go.

Please look up usage of ketamine with lesser potency opioids, such as vicodin.

You will find that medical science has shown via study that this combo is as effective as oxycontin/codone and such.

Here's a quick link backing me up.

http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/no-longer-just-a-horse-drug-ketamine-increasingly-used-for-military-pain-management/

I have posted this argument in another thread on this board.

It's great that they've found something with a better prognosis in some applications, but that doesn't cover all cases.

It could be used to cover all cases. Just whom do you think should be given heavy opioids and for what?

I can cite another article comparing the effectiveness of ketaminre against oxycodone to help manage post operative pain. It showed no major difference, except ketamine was maybe safer and less addictive.

The only thing preventing its usage currently as I see it is ignorance and paychecks for docs who recommended opiates.

I really don't think you have the qualifications to have an opinion on that.

Do you?

No, which is why I defer to the opinion of the medical establishment.

Exactly.

Opinion of the medical establishment which perpetuated the opioid problem in the first place. 🙄

You're dodging the question about whom you think should be given heavy opiates btw.

Oh wait, I forgot you aren't qualified to offer an opinion, which negates your initial one doesn't it?

It's not my opinion.

If we're at the point where you're spinning conspiracy theories you might as well rail about vaccines and autism.

Right.

You are being asked to state your opinion.

And i do beg you to indicate where I 'spun a conspiracy theory'.
There is proven evidence about the conspiracy to distribute oxycontin and codone in the US by its maker. Some of the execs from purdue even received criminal charges and there is ongoing litigation over this.

That doesn't mean your doctor is trying to poison you.

In civilized countries, doctors both continue to prescribe opiods (with extreme caution), and aren't incentivized to do so.

Never said your doc is trying to poison you in America.

Only that they have monetary incentive to recommend certain drugs and that this incentive forms policy.

I get that your argument here is basically "im from canada, neener neener neener". So until you actually habe an opinion, maybe fuck off with the holier than thou attitude and come ready to discuss sensible drug policy

See, that's what's caused your entire problem. Why not let doctors do that?

Why not let doctors discuss sensible drug policy?

Because, in all seriousness, most of our doctors aren't even truly knowledgeable about what they are prescribing. Look at average prescription length for benzodiazepines in America and compare that to Great Britain.

In the USA, they will prescribe you an amount of xanax which is enough to start a serious dependency if taken in the dosage recommended.

That's kind of the point. Maybe fix your health care system rather than expect amateurs to be able to have sensible medical opinions.

Ok. We would love to do that. And as far as I know, the only way to do this is by spreading information so that everyone can begin to make informed decisions.

By the way, what is your stance on the canadians who come to the US to pay for healthcare because their health condition is unable to afford them the wait required by your highly-advanced -and-unflawed-healthcare system?

I agree with pretty much everything else you're saying, but the whole canadians coming to the us for medical is largely bullshit.

Phantoms In The Snow: Canadians’ Use Of Health Care Services In The United States

No Canadian needs to go to the US on their own dime for any medical condition. When that is actually medically necessary (for, say, an extremely rare procedure), our system covers it.

Our system prioritizes care based on need, not the ability to pay. The people you're talking about are offering bribes to be moved up the line, and your system is corrupt enough to allow for it. It's largely the same as the "campaign contributions" your politicians accept.

What - the market for keeping people addicted to nicotine is drying up for them or something?

Dragons, pudding, and squares!