Wednesday, 8 August 2018
quote [ Republican Rep. Christopher Collins of New York, the first member of Congress to support President Trump during his campaign, has been charged with insider trading Wednesday. He is accused of using inside information about a biotechnology company to make illicit stock trades.
The indictment charges Collins, the congressman's son and the father of his son's fiancee with conspiracy, wire fraud and other counts. ] One more to add to the pardon list. Full in extended
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bbqkink said @ 6:28pm GMT on 8th Aug
Donald Trump and The Swamp Critters...a pretty long list now.
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bbqkink said @ 6:56pm GMT on 8th Aug
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knumbknutz said[1] @ 10:00pm GMT on 8th Aug
[Score:3 Informative]
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gendo666 said @ 6:46pm GMT on 8th Aug
So.. do people stay pardoned if the president who pardoned them is removed for criminal acts?
' cause that seems stupid. |
zarathustra said @ 9:00pm GMT on 8th Aug
[Score:3 Insightful]
It has never been ruled on. If such a situation ever occurred, I would speculate that the courts would be inclined to overturn the pardon if a direct link could be drawn between the pardon and the criminal activity. For example, if the president was impeached for accepting a bribe to grant that pardon or if the pardon was a direct reward for helping in the commission of, or covering up of, a crime. Jack Johnson is probably safe.
One thing to remember is that there is little likelihood of Trump trying to pardon co-conspirators prior to the complete resolution of the issue since doing so would strip them of their fifth amendment rights in regard to things that they were pardoned for. As things stand, co-conspirators can not be compelled to implicate Trump since doing so would implicate themselves as well. Without the fifth they would have to name names. |
biblebeltdrunk said @ 7:25pm GMT on 8th Aug
A lot of US law for upper leadership was written under the assumption that we would be smart enough not to elect an asshole. This has not always worked.
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gendo666 said @ 9:19pm GMT on 8th Aug
I guess it's a lucky thing that this has never happened before - or perhaps (and this is the crotchety old man in me) people (on average) were simply BETTER than this current crop of garbage.
I think it's actually a positive thing that this democracy has run so far and so long without the wheels falling off. I hope fledgling democracies look at this and hopefully learn when creating their systems. |
ComposerNate said @ 10:18pm GMT on 8th Aug
All modern democracies indeed looked at the US when building their own, a lot of improvements made among them this last century.
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gendo666 said @ 12:13am GMT on 9th Aug
I'm just saying that few ever imagined this possibility.
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ComposerNate said @ 8:01am GMT on 9th Aug
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Hitler was influential, democracies putting in final, never otherwise used safeguards should that happen to them. And now Putin, in power twenty years from being elected to a four year term.
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gendo666 said @ 11:04pm GMT on 9th Aug
And then there is China's "democracy"
with the life term President/Premiere (remember when Trump said that sounded like a "good thing"?) I think ALL democracies should make sure they have checks in place for this kind of bullshit. Heck, I'm currently in a province where the guy they elected (an ex hash dealer) won on the "buck a beer" vote and is currently on a slash and burn expedition against the poor. |
0000 said @ 12:29am GMT on 10th Aug
"Buck a beer" is pandering to the rich? |
gendo666 said @ 5:47am GMT on 10th Aug
pandering to idiots.
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lilmookieesquire said @ 6:59am GMT on 9th Aug
They factored in for it with the representative/electoral part.
It's just not running at 100% right now. |
knumbknutz said @ 8:24pm GMT on 8th Aug
And its a family affair - his son got brought down, too.
Interesting. Where have I heard that before?? Can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems sort of recent... |