Thursday, 2 August 2018

This is what the life of an incel looks like

quote [ Incels believe that they are doomed by society’s cruel rules to never have sex. We spent time with a member of the incel community. ]

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[by arrowhen@8:11pmGMT]


lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 11:56pm GMT on 2nd Aug [Score:3 Funny]
steele said @ 9:11pm GMT on 2nd Aug [Score:2]
norok said[2] @ 12:53am GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:-5]
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mechavolt said @ 10:18pm GMT on 2nd Aug [Score:2 Insightful]
As Joey pulled me further into the world of incels, it became clear this brand of misogyny was a circular expression of self-hatred: I am weak, like a woman. Women have made me weak.

And there it is. Honestly, this can be used to explain a lot of the bizarre behavior and logic of the Trump supporters.
Kronar said @ 10:36pm GMT on 2nd Aug [Score:2 Insightful]
You have no honor - like a woman!
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:01pm GMT on 3rd Aug
Kronar said @ 5:59pm GMT on 5th Aug
Feelings are for women!
Fish said @ 4:06am GMT on 3rd Aug

I also saw it immediately.
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 11:09pm GMT on 2nd Aug [Score:1 Interesting]
Let's see...
-Depressed mood
-Diminished interest/pleasure in activities
-Significant increase/decrease in weight, appetite
-Persistent insomnia or hypersomnia
-psychomotor agitation/retardation
-feelings of worthlessness, excessive or inappropriate guilt
-diminished ability to think or concentrate
-suicidal ideation/persistent morbidity

I'm not a mental health professional, but sounds to me like someone ticking every box. Add lack of physical activity & solitary confinement-like living conditions and you'd get a seriously deep depressive hole someone isn't likely to crawl out of. The escalating edgy online behavior reads a lot like someone numb from depression desperately seeking some stimuli. Sad.
rndmnmbr said @ 11:46pm GMT on 2nd Aug
The key thing I'm seeing, however, is looking for an outside party to lift the depression, namely in the form of a woman. And then resentment when women take a look at this pit of blackness and say no thank you.

I wonder if there would be rejection of therapy as well, when they discover that therapy is more teaching you to wipe your own ass and not the therapist wiping it for you. I ran into that problem myself, until I got over it and started putting in the effort.
LurkerAtTheGate said[3] @ 6:08pm GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:2]
Seems pretty clear they reject treatment, not just therapy. You'd have to start a regimen of medication, unplug them, and ship 'em to a farm or something where they have to do some physical activity outdoors alongside other people just to raise their baseline enough to even start to see if medication works or not. I'm close to people with clinical depression, some of whom self-regulate (without medication in some cases, most with) and at least some of the people involved in the interview are doing the exact opposite of everything the self-regulators advise. These poor bastards seem to embrace their disease as a badge of honor, without realizing they're eagerly choosing misery (though I've no doubt they'd say they embrace that too).

There was an article (I think I read on SE, for that matter) not long ago about how, socially, Japan is a decade or so ahead of the West: the NEETs, the more extreme hikikomori, dramatically increased suicide rates, etc. I wonder though - culturally the Japanese seem to ingrain a much stronger sense of social duty, so lashing out in the way of the incel/alt-right seems far less common.
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 6:17pm GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:1 Informative]
addendum: hikkomori report - at least in japan, gender ratio is 2:1 M:F . I bet the incel/young depressive shut-in in the West is similar.
steele said[4] @ 1:57am GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:1 Interesting]
Ah, but that's where snake oil salesman Jordan Peterson comes in. He tells them it's just a simple matter of cleaning your room, standing up straight, taking personal responsibility, and a bunch of other simple bullshit wrapped in a bastardized version of the hero's journey. Then when that doesn't work (because it doesn't address the actual underlying systemic issues that are plaguing us all) you can blame everything on the bullshit catchall, "PostModern NeoMarxism." AKA women, transgender people, multiculturalism, anti-capitalism, and anything else that makes you feel uncomfortable as a disaffected white male.

Jordan Peterson | ContraPoints

It's a ContraPoints kinda day. ;)

Let's be more supportive of people who live non-traditional lifestyles, y'all.
donnie said[1] @ 1:37pm GMT on 5th Aug [Score:-1 Boring]
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0000 said[3] @ 8:23pm GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:-2]
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0000 said @ 9:06pm GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:-3]
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0000 said[2] @ 3:33pm GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:-4]
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Dienes said @ 12:12pm GMT on 3rd Aug
They reject the idea of therapy, medication, and pretty much anything else that would improve their quality of life because it is 'cope' or it won't get them fucked immediately. They don't even try it. Some even argue working out or developing hobbies is 'cope.'

"I'm alone and not getting laid even though 99% of the population is. I'm worthless." might be 'typical' depression.

"I'm alone and not getting laid even though 99% of the population is. Its the women who are worthless and they should be punished for doing this to me." is some sort of depression radicalized into rabid misogyny, homophobia, and racism.

lilmookieesquire said @ 2:34pm GMT on 3rd Aug
steele said @ 5:23pm GMT on 3rd Aug
rndmnmbr said @ 11:44pm GMT on 3rd Aug
I posit that the rabid misogyny, homophobia, and racism, and even the mental illness to a degree, is secondary to the primary problem that they refuse adult responsibility for their actions and cling to adolescent behaviors, especially parental caretaking, and then choose to blame externalities when the world in turn refuses to engage with them as if they were adults. They want to act like children and be treated like adults and it's not their fault when that doesn't happen.
Dienes said @ 1:39am GMT on 4th Aug
The rabid bigotry is the mechanism of refusing any and all personal responsibility. Its a chicken-egg scenario.
foobar said @ 3:38am GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:1 Underrated]
Joey doesn’t have a job, and he’s not in school. His mom pays for his apartment.

Yeah I think maybe we've found the issue.
knumbknutz said @ 3:29pm GMT on 3rd Aug
What? Women aren't lined up around the block to be a care-giving mommy to a 23 year old child, with mental health issues?

There's always the assembly of god church...

0000 said @ 7:53am GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:-3 Boring]
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knumbknutz said @ 8:22pm GMT on 2nd Aug
Huh - I thought that's what being married was.
lilmookieesquire said @ 11:36pm GMT on 2nd Aug
lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 11:39pm GMT on 2nd Aug
Seriously though, maybe he just needs a hobby like:
Ussmak said @ 11:36pm GMT on 2nd Aug
VICE "news."
arrowhen said @ 11:38pm GMT on 2nd Aug
You think they made this guy up?
rylex said @ 12:38am GMT on 3rd Aug
He's saying he digs that we support the alt-right via the spread of links to VICE
norok said @ 1:02am GMT on 3rd Aug
Despite their slant I don't know of any other news organization that takes the risks they do to cover such an eclectic array of international current events in such depth.
foobar said @ 9:44am GMT on 3rd Aug [Score:3]
Nah, they're assholes, and you're an asshole if you defend them.
rhesusmonkey said @ 5:02am GMT on 4th Aug
First i have heard of this, and this looks very bad on Vice.
Jordan Peterson said @ 3:14am GMT on 3rd Aug

Vital Capacity

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