Wednesday, 27 June 2018

How to Defeat the Post-Janus Union Attacks

quote [ Janus opens the door to active campaigns by the Right to get members to drop their union dues. Here's how labor can fight back. ]

Are you ready for a series of wildcat strikes? I bet you are. ;)

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HoZay said[1] @ 6:33pm GMT on 27th Jun
Elections have consequences. This and a bunch of other shitty Supreme Court decisions are direct consequence of low turnout in 2010 midterms. Now it's a years-long struggle to (maybe) regain lost ground.
steele said @ 6:39pm GMT on 27th Jun
Did you ever read Dark Money?
HoZay said @ 7:09pm GMT on 27th Jun
I read at it. I think I got the gist.
steele said[1] @ 7:40pm GMT on 27th Jun
I mean, it was basically a handbook on how to shift an entire nation's mindset. Kinda relevant.
HoZay said @ 8:12pm GMT on 27th Jun
Here's hoping they've gone too far, and it's not too late to start the repair. But I've got a bad feeling about that.
steele said @ 9:02pm GMT on 27th Jun
Yeah, we'll have to see. On the bright side, the youth (yoots!) of today have a better understanding of memes and how information flows in the world. Whether they get that's what it is, they understand propaganda can change the shape of the world. That's something where the fascists have always had a leg up on us.
HoZay said @ 2:33pm GMT on 28th Jun
Dark Money really shouldn't be news to anyone, except Fox News viewers. MSNBC has been covering it for years.
steele said @ 3:41pm GMT on 28th Jun
And i've been posting about vr for years now, that makes you all game programmers now. Right?
HoZay said @ 4:27pm GMT on 28th Jun
Adjusting for audience size, yes.
steele said @ 5:07pm GMT on 28th Jun
So it's till just me then? ;)
HoZay said @ 8:11pm GMT on 28th Jun
Help us Obi-wan Steele. You're our only hope.
steele said @ 8:31pm GMT on 28th Jun [Score:1 Good]
Trust me, I know.
HoZay said @ 8:51pm GMT on 28th Jun
I have one of those shoulder-mounted models.
steele said @ 9:00pm GMT on 28th Jun
Warning: Aim anus away from face!
5432 said @ 2:40pm GMT on 28th Jun [Score:-2]
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bbqkink said @ 8:18pm GMT on 27th Jun
Did you vote for the person who could have stopped this??
It is worse than you think.

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rndmnmbr said @ 8:28pm GMT on 27th Jun
Voting should be mandatory, just like jury duty.
bbqkink said @ 8:37pm GMT on 27th Jun
Doesn't have to be mandatory make it a National paid your I voted sticker or blue finger (great idea by the way) and get paid NO MATER where you work...don't and just get a day off.
midden said @ 10:43pm GMT on 27th Jun
A basic Civics 101 test should be part of every driver's license, business permit, credit line, and bank account, along with free study materials available at every library and government office building. If you are competent enough to enter into any of those social contracts and can comprehend your most basic duties as a citizen and the structure of government, then you should be competent to vote. But if you can't pass that basic level of comprehension, stay the hell out of the voting booth.
steele said @ 11:12pm GMT on 27th Jun
Calm down, Mr. Crow. ;)
midden said @ 11:28pm GMT on 27th Jun
Whipper-snapper! :)
Ussmak said @ 2:18am GMT on 28th Jun
Yeah, it's almost like the system was designed to give the college elite and the illiterate the same chance to be heard, or something.

What a horrible idea.
midden said @ 8:19am GMT on 28th Jun
Yup, I freely admit that I think there should be a threshold one must cross before being given the right to vote. I used to think it should be much higher; I used to think it should be the same citizenship test my immigrant stepmom and my immigrant mother-in-law both had to take, which I and a large fraction of my social circle would most likely fail. Part of me still does. Now, however, I mostly think it should be closer to knowing the equivalent of School House Rock by heart. In either case, I believe it is societies' duty to provide basic education, including that which is needed to vote, free to all.
steele said @ 11:25am GMT on 29th Jun
But they don't provide that. So now what? Cut off everyone who hasn't received it? We've already got the history that demonstrates how disastrous that works out for the exploited and underprivileged.
midden said @ 12:07pm GMT on 30th Jun
So now we who do have the right to vote do our best to make the right to a proper education for the entire population our national policy.
steele said @ 12:59pm GMT on 30th Jun
The people you probably think should vote are the people i don't think would vote for that. Now what? ;)
midden said @ 11:06pm GMT on 30th Jun
Honestly, I'm exhausted. At this point, if it all crashes and burns I won't be surprised, or even too upset. We've done it to ourselves, and don't deserve any better.
steele said[1] @ 5:37pm GMT on 1st Jul
"We." There's a significant chunk of the population that have known nothing more than being victims of a large and oppressive infrastructure. I don't have a short term solution, but I guarantee advocating for a resurgence of Jim Crow is not the answer.

5432 said @ 6:23pm GMT on 3rd Jul [Score:-1 Boring]
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steele said @ 8:38pm GMT on 27th Jun
Lol. I think you greatly underestimate how bad I think it is.
bbqkink said @ 8:41pm GMT on 27th Jun [Score:1 Funny]
Maybe so...but you really need to not go down without a fight.
Ussmak said @ 10:26pm GMT on 27th Jun
It may come as a shock to you bbq, but posting stuff on the internet is not the same as a real fight.
midden said @ 10:33pm GMT on 27th Jun
It's certainly not all of the "real fight," but the war of ideas matters every bit as much today as it ever has. Action for all but the most primal of motives is guided by ideas.
Ussmak said @ 10:36pm GMT on 27th Jun
Your side lost the war of ideas though, hard. All that's left is violence, unjustified as well, and your side is woefully unprepared for that world.
midden said @ 10:48pm GMT on 27th Jun
I'm not ready to concede that point. Our perspective is far too short. You may very well be right, though. Lincoln himself was very much aware that this whole representative democracy thing is an experiment. I suspect that we will only ever know with the much longer lens of history. We won't know in our lifetimes.
Ussmak said @ 2:09am GMT on 28th Jun
If you don't want to concede the left lost the intellectual fight this time around, then that's fine, it's a pretty subjective thing after all. You certainly better be ready to concede the point that modern leftists stand zero chance in a stand up violent fight with modern rightwingers though. The right is better armed, better trained, better supplied, better fed and controls far, FAR more valuable ground.

If the left wants to properly pursue the 'un-civilized' path of revolt, then they seriously better get their shit together and fast.
midden said @ 8:23am GMT on 28th Jun
Oh, yeah, when it comes to truly uncivilized behavior, the right will totally crush the left. If it comes to that and the left has any chance, it will have to become more like its enemy, as has been the case throughout history.
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:36am GMT on 28th Jun
But have you even seen how much Karma I have though?
bbqkink said @ 12:15am GMT on 28th Jun
Not the fight I was referring to. In this case the fight was voting. In other cases it is getting varies and yes sometime it is the power of words and the winning of hearts and minds.

It is not as you suggest a struggle of arms...but this was a very bad week.
Ussmak said @ 2:14am GMT on 28th Jun
But you lost the fight at the ballot box. You lost the fight for hearts and minds. You lost that fight with guys specifically like me, who were Bernie supporters that turned after the Nevada primary.

I know it sucks, and I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but the DNC we believed in is dead as a door nail and aint coming back. If you feel like a beaten dog, that's probably because someones been making you guard the wrong hen house.
bbqkink said @ 2:25am GMT on 28th Jun
We are constantly doing the election thing. Its not like one election keeps things they way the are.
C18H27NO3 said @ 8:47pm GMT on 27th Jun
The end is near. Votes don't matter anymore.
bbqkink said @ 9:57pm GMT on 27th Jun
Bullshit has been called.
kylemcbitch said @ 10:56pm GMT on 27th Jun
A bit of a highjack, since this is about Roberts specifically and not this case in general:

Here is the game plan ladies and gentlemen:

This is a planned event, specifically to try and get as many people to the ballot for Republicans and depress as many Democratic votes as possible.

"But geekmasterflash!" I hear you say, random redditor reading this "they play to have the new SC judge in before the election!"

So lets actually play some 4-D chess and talk about thinking moves ahead.

His leaving puts the court in a temporary 4/4 split though, more like 5/3 (still favoring republicans) That is a temporary status I think Republicans can live with for awhile, yes?

Why would they want to do that if they can just name one and be done with it?

Because they want to win the midterms and they see that is going to be an epic struggle for them. Less so if crazy fundies think Roe v Wade is at stake. And imagine, you there, fellow Democratic baseline voter: what would your reaction be if Democrats did not literally do everything possible to delay and stop this?

So they know full well by saying the plan is to do this in Fall that the issue will be dragged out until the election. If not, they get a win. If so, they might get the biggest upset win ever. The attack ads write themselves:

"The democrats want to impeach the president so he can't do what he is legally supposed to: assigned SC judges"

The hypocrisy of that will be a feature, not a bug.

Now all of this is not to say we should not try to stop them from this appointment. But they just made this into a a real struggle at this years midterms.

Remember that, and make sure your ready for it.
steele said @ 2:49am GMT on 28th Jun [Score:2]
Ussmak said @ 2:16am GMT on 28th Jun [Score:-2 Troll]
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kylemcbitch said @ 3:03am GMT on 28th Jun [Score:2]
I am sorry, the president can do what exactly about an unprecedented unilateral action taken in congress?

It's one thing to be a shitty troll, 'mak, it's another to have no art in your craft at all. No thought, not funny, not even clever. Do better.
Ussmak said @ 8:59pm GMT on 1st Jul
Ignore them. Like he did on many other matters. But if he'd said 'fuck it' and installed a justice anyways, then a bunch of his banker buddy donors would've been mad, at just like Hillary, Obama always did what Big Daddy Wall Street told him to.
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