Wednesday, 13 June 2018

What did you get and what did you give away?

quote [ Among the consequences of Donald Trump's meeting with Kim Jong Un is that he agreed without apparent condition to end joint U.S./South Korean military exercises, a concession North Korea has sought for decades ]

And what did Trump get for his big wet kiss and sponsoring Kim's coming out party...Nada!

What did he mean when he said we would "End the War Games"? Not sure anybody knows that one including the US military.

Rachel Maddow points out that it's not just North Korea that was eager for this outcome.

According to a report by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), Trump expressed his intention to halt U.S.-South Korea joint military exercises, offer security guarantees to the North and lift sanctions against it as relations improve.

North Korea frames summit as a win as Trump halts war games

It will be some time until we learn about all of what will happen...but so far it doesn't look like this is in the benefit of the US and or its allies.

The Wet Kiss was disgusting to watch.

Trump accomplished 'nothing' at summit with Kim Jong Un

[SFW] [politics] [+2 WTF]
[by bbqkink@4:22amGMT]


ScoobySnacks said @ 4:45pm GMT on 27th Jun [Score:2 Informative]
Ankylosaur said @ 6:37am GMT on 13th Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
Congratulations to Kim Jong Un for succeeding where his father failed in getting the US to legitimize the North Korean dictatorship, and at no real cost to himself. Of course, Il had to contend with US presidents who weren't overgrown manchildren who could be easily manipulated with the promise of ego-stroking photo-ops, but a win is still a win.
HoZay said @ 1:57pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
He couldn't have done it without Kahn.
knumbknutz said @ 8:22pm GMT on 13th Jun
someone set him up the bomb
bbqkink said @ 12:04am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:1 Good]
bbqkink said @ 12:10am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:1 Interesting]
It is hard to tell if and when this might be a thing, but it lets you know about attitudes for sure.

Angry Canadians are shopping 'Trump free' after attacks on Trudeau
Ankylosaur said @ 2:58pm GMT on 14th Jun [Score:1 WTF]
Mural with inspiring quote from Dear Leader inside a former Texas Walmart turned shelter for incarcerated child migrants:
Hugh E. said @ 5:45pm GMT on 14th Jun
At first I hadn't noticed that you included a link. I thought, This is so obviously a hoax, I hate it when people spread hoaxes like this!
Yeah, then I clicked. It's not a hoax, but it is unreal.
BUGGERLUGS123 said @ 6:36pm GMT on 13th Jun
What I want to know is what financial rewards were in it for Mr President, because apart from stroking his feeble ego that is the only thing that drives him.

I still think a trump golf course and resort in NK is on the table, with royalties paid into Cohen's "Oranage Nob" slush fund.
conception said @ 9:02pm GMT on 13th Jun
No, this is what China wanted, so that's where to look for the money.
hellboy said @ 2:19am GMT on 14th Jun
Not just China. The "why don't you cancel military exercises with South Korea and pull your troops out" idea came from Putin, per the socialist daily the WSJ.
Ankylosaur said @ 3:05am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:1 Good]
Which other US Presidents since WW2 have consistently acted in the service of Russia?


President Trump's bold vision of doing what past presidents didn't do is historic. By definition. You Liberals can't argue against that. But our nation's biggest enemies, NBC and CNN, continue to shower him with relentless, unbridled, and vapid criticism, as if the actual details and outcomes of historic actions matter. All that matters is rhyming. Historical rhyming. It's like poetry, it's sort of, they rhyme. Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one. Hopefully it'll work.

I am reminded of Reagan. For no particular reason, I'm just always thinking about Reagan and ways I can name-check him. Reagan! Reagan? Reagan.
hellboy said @ 3:22am GMT on 14th Jun
The president being a traitor is indeed pretty historic.
bbqkink said @ 7:20pm GMT on 16th Jun
Both men were desperate for this meeting, Trump perhaps even more so. The US president wanted to score his first major foreign policy achievement. His tenure in office, so far, has been marked by growing tensions with neighbours and allies as well as a massive collapse in US global influence.

In the end, all the Trump-Kim summit did was legitimize a notorious dictator
0000 said @ 9:48am GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-3 Boring]
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norok said @ 12:47pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-3 Boring]
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Hugh E. said @ 1:25pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:1 Informative]
What was "historic"? The signed agreement is basically, "Let's do lunch. I'll have my people call your people."
0000 said @ 1:43pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-1]
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bbqkink said @ 12:58am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:-1]
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hellboy said @ 1:19am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:0 Good]
No, it is absolutely not true.

What if it improves the lot of North Koreans but imperils South Koreans or Americans?

That's the whole problem with this bullshit in a nutshell: the North Koreans are the only ones who gained anything.
bbqkink said[1] @ 2:20am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:-1]
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norok said[1] @ 2:23pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-3]
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conception said @ 7:04pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:2 Underrated]
Wait... Carter and Reagan over Iran is your go to on this? The one where Reagan secretly met with Iran to say to hold onto American hostages until he was elected to free them?

That sort of corruption is your go to metric on this?

I mean... I guess it is fitting.

"It is now very clear that there were two separate agreements, one the official agreement with Carter in Algeria, the other, a secret agreement with another party, which, it is now apparent, was Reagan. They made a deal with Reagan that the hostages should not be released until after Reagan became president. So, then in return, Reagan would give them arms. We have published documents which show that US arms were shipped, via Israel, in March, about 2 months after Reagan became president."
— Former Iranian President Abolhassan Banisadr

arrowhen said @ 7:41am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:0 Underrated]
The main criticism focuses on the ceasing of the war games exercises.

My only criticism is that those war games were the best kind of bargaining chip to have -- one that's more important to the other guy than it is to you -- and Trump should have held onto it until he could exchange it for something substantial instead of giving it away as a door prize. For someone who likes to talk so much about what a tough negotiator he is it's odd to see him open with an Obama-style unnecessary compromise.
coffeejoejava said @ 11:16pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-3]
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bbqkink said @ 11:27pm GMT on 13th Jun
Any president form the end of the war could have done this in a is what the NK have wanted for 3 generations. If Obama had done this the Republicans would call for an immediate impeachment. But nobody was going to give this tin pot dictator the dignity to set in the same room as them selves.

Trump not only gave him a big wet kiss he should get checked for a STD. And what did he gain. MSNBC cover the event live.
Hugh E. said @ 7:19am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:2 WTF]
Ankylosaur said @ 8:40am GMT on 14th Jun
We have always been at peace with North Korea. We have always been at war with Canada.
hellboy said @ 1:26am GMT on 14th Jun
Obama did do this, and the Republicans tried to crucify him for it.

Obama went to Iran, which (back in the days of Saint Ronald) was hated and distrusted even more than North Korea. Remember Ayatollah Assahola? And he made a deal with them - but Obama's deal included timetables and inspections and accountability. It had substance. It had fucking witnesses.

And the Dumpster Fire shat all over it, and then went and did to North Korea what the Republicans and the reich-wing propaganda ministry claimed Obama did with Iran. But dishonest shitheads like coffeejoejava will never admit that.
Fish said @ 11:22am GMT on 14th Jun [Score:-3 Troll]
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iosef said @ 2:32pm GMT on 14th Jun [Score:-1 Underrated]
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robotroadkill said @ 4:02am GMT on 15th Jun [Score:-1]
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0000 said @ 12:34pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-4]
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Dienes said @ 12:58pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
conception said @ 9:01pm GMT on 13th Jun
You missed the part where Obama got the same deal but didn't give China to widen their sphere of influence even wider in the Pacific.
0000 said @ 1:39pm GMT on 13th Jun [Score:-4 Unworthy Self Link]
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Fish said @ 1:05pm GMT on 14th Jun [Score:-5 Troll]
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