Wednesday, 16 May 2018

This town kills thousands of rattlesnakes in a single weekend

quote [ Animal rights activists hate it. Residents profit from it. Welcome to Sweetwater, Texas—the home of the biggest rattlesnake roundup in the world.  ]

Doing the rattlesnake shake
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[by ScoobySnacks@9:41amGMT]

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Dienes said @ 1:59pm GMT on 16th May [Score:2 Underrated]
Ugh, just admit you like killing stuff.

There's no need for this. No need for this ecologically, no need for this scientifically (we have much better methods), just....no need.
bbqkink said[1] @ 8:26pm GMT on 16th May [Score:1 Insightful]
Just admit it that is the only reason you have against it.

It has been estimated that 7,000–8,000 people per year receive venomous bites in the United States, and about five of those people die. Most fatal bites are attributed to the eastern and western diamondback rattlesnake.

The meat is good and the skins are used for apparel...and then there is the trill of the hunt.
milkman666 said @ 11:17pm GMT on 16th May
I'm not exactly a sportsman, so i probably don't have the right background to be able to appreciate something like this. So maybe you can help me out. Is it the whole experience, from fumigating them out of their dens using gasoline, the daily storage barrel shake to keep em keen, to final part weeks later where they just butcher em in front of audience? Or is it more just the first portion, with the hooks and gassing?

Also, related question, is regular 87 octane good enough? Or should a wily hunter spring for the Super +? A hunter with a conservationist bent would probably opt for the more premium grade, what with all the detergents. Should keep things tidy and we wouldn't want to despoil the land. It would also cut down on engine knock, which i believe arroyos are prone to.
bbqkink said[2] @ 11:22pm GMT on 16th May
Well we could send you in there with a stick and a cow bell.

And it is pretty obvious you have never been face to face with a 8 foot rattler. Let me tell you the blood pressure rises.

Maybe I could interest you in a medium rare t-bone?


Killing Cow for meat

milkman666 said[1] @ 12:03am GMT on 17th May [Score:2 Insightful]
I'm not saying those things aren't frightening. Shit, I'm all for deer and bear hunting, which is done in my area. That though seems to be a bit more regulated. Rattler-Armageddon does not. To be fair the article doesn't go to much in depth, so if there conservationist group, or land management organizations that give this the same kind of pass that is given to deer, bear, and other wild game hunting then thats cool.

I can imagine there being a need to control the rattler population, due to changes in the environment brought on by human habitation. Maybe there are no longer the right amount of birds of prey, or other predators too keep them in check. I didn't see that argument being made. What i read was "snakes are scary" and "it makes us money". Is there a hunting license involved? Is there a cap to how many pounds can be caught? Are there provisions to keep the population stable by not indiscriminately killing babies or destroying eggs? What are the allowed and the disallowed methods of hunting? Why is gasoline apparently a valid hunting implement?

These are important. Because it speaks to a thoughtful approach to the land and the animals that live there. Its also important to the people, because this means they are not doing the hunting equivalent of slash and burn farming. This hunt as outlined, just seems like a big cash grab.

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https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/wildlife_diversity/nongame/media/TPWD-SHWG-Report.pdf

And here is some work at least in regards to gassing.
bbqkink said[1] @ 12:08am GMT on 17th May
It is a lot like a county fair...and ya it is designed to bring in money.

Have you ever been to the southwest desert? not much there.

Sweetwater, TX

And if you get out that way be sure not to miss Midland and Odessa

A guy from Odessa died and went to hell...When the devil saw him was holding his head and crying. The Devil said "it is to late to cry now"...He looked up at devil and said, "It's not that, this place reminds me of home so much I just got homesick".
arrowhen said @ 5:45am GMT on 17th May
My dad was from Odessa and I was "lucky" enough to spend a couple summer vacations there as a kid. I'm pretty sure going from Odessa to hell is like getting upgraded to first class.
milkman666 said @ 12:32am GMT on 17th May
Ill see your cow and raise you a cuy.

NSFW (for fucking real)

Peruvian Guinea Pig Slaughtering


Peruvian guinea pig slaughtering Part 2


Peruvian Guinea Pig Slaughtering Part 3


I'm suburban, but we come from farmers. At 14 on my godfathers ranch my generation of cousins had to kill and butcher a cow for dinner. The uncles biggest regret was how me and my brother were the only two suburbanites who weren't fazed. I was downright julia child, asking for cumin, kosher salt, and olive oil. This was because when we were knee high our grandpa cooked guinea pig. Shit, we were under the impression they were going to be our pets. That goes out the window when you see gramps snap its neck and dress it in quick order.

My criticism stands. I think they are misusing their natural resources, i think they are taking equity out of their land to the long term detriment of the community as a whole. I think this is because 8 mill in the now means a lot more than whatever bogeyman might be lurking in the future. Especially when you're disinclined to look.
bbqkink said @ 12:55am GMT on 17th May
I think they are taking equity out of their land to the long term detriment of the community as a whole.

They don't kill all of the snakes. And why not make an event out of something you are going to have to do anyway?...yea the money helps, but this is no more inhumane than the farmers all around me who kill pigs...which are least as smart as dogs...just don't see the tragedy.
milkman666 said @ 1:07am GMT on 17th May
Hey, I could be wrong. I would be happy to know that this is all done with the appropriate oversight. My belief that it is not, stems from the use of petrol, and what looks like a whacking day kind of fervor. The gassing is something that is under deliberation. As for the rest, id be happy to see a report, or some independent experts chime in to say that not only is the culling appropriate but managed.
bbqkink said @ 5:37am GMT on 17th May
Bob Denver said @ 6:43am GMT on 17th May
I have...and I've been face to face with a cobra (I was 9). With the rattlesnake, I stopped and backed away and it moved off. Same thing with the cobra. I was an adult when i met the rattler but I will totally own up to being scared in both instances.

This is just institutionalised cowardice. When the rattlesnakes are gone, they'll have to come up with another way to deal with the rodent problem...something chemical or perhaps more guns.
bbqkink said @ 4:20pm GMT on 17th May
Or left to breed unchecked they will have to deal with dead kids.
milkman666 said @ 5:45pm GMT on 17th May
bbqkink said @ 9:25pm GMT on 17th May
Claxton has not experienced an apocalyptic rattlesnake population explosion since it stopped the killing

Ans Sweetwater has no shortage of snakes either.
Bob Denver said @ 12:24am GMT on 18th May
Seriously? How about following the example of other countries that have venomous or predatory animals? Training and education. Australian children, for example, are taught not to go wading where crocodiles are known to exist. Your solution—kill as many as you can and make a festival of it. wow...
bbqkink said[1] @ 12:43am GMT on 18th May
Wow...is right. These are reptiles..venous reptiles who live in the thousands. This is no danger their species...it is a fucking snake. And they taste pretty damn good.
Dienes said @ 3:00pm GMT on 17th May
You say that like killing things just to kill shit isn't a valid reason to dislike something.

I'm all for sustainable hunting - there's some populations, like deer, that need to be culled for the sake of the species, since we have all but eliminated natural predators. Heck, I've eaten rattlesnake and it is fucking delicious. But hunt it sustainably and responsibly. Not for primarily shits and giggles with the side benefit of eating some of it.

I don't think 5 deaths per year justify a pogrom against a species important to the ecosystem. 5 people out of millions doesn't constitute a severe threat. Especially when the snakes do their damnedest to warn you ahead of time you're about to do something stupid.

You want a challenging hunt? Go hunt the pythons in the everglades. That's eliminating an invasive species, more difficult than rattlers, and a python will fuck you up proper if you want a 'thrill.' Just be sure to cook it with a slow braise, or its too tough.
bbqkink said @ 4:21pm GMT on 17th May
This program didn't start last week it has been going on for decades.
1111 said @ 3:41pm GMT on 16th May [Score:-2 Boring]
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Dienes said @ 4:09pm GMT on 16th May
Much like how the meager scientific contributions it makes doesn't justify it as there are better methods, there's other, better ways to bring money into the economy that have the side benefit of not decimating a species' population and damaging the environment.
1111 said[1] @ 4:31pm GMT on 16th May [Score:-3 Boring]
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The Fucking Article said[1] @ 4:56pm GMT on 16th May [Score:2 Good]
"Organizers of the roundup say the event helps perform scientific research and tests for anti-venom."
bbqkink said @ 8:24pm GMT on 16th May
Not only that it keeps the population down and like #'s said it brings in revenue for the city.
rylex said @ 6:18pm GMT on 16th May [Score:-1]
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cb361 said @ 9:27pm GMT on 16th May [Score:-3]
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bbqkink said @ 8:22pm GMT on 16th May [Score:-3]
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mechanical contrivance said @ 8:30pm GMT on 16th May
I'm ok with this.
cb361 said @ 9:26pm GMT on 16th May
If you hate rattlesnakes so much, why don't you not marry one?
arrowhen said @ 10:28pm GMT on 16th May
You know what they say about rattlesnake haters: they're probably closet rattlesnakes.
Hugh E. said @ 1:36am GMT on 17th May
Did Taylor Swift hack this account?
backSLIDER said @ 1:15am GMT on 17th May
Having killed and eaten rattle snake I don't know why that part should be a big deal. If they are fucking up the ecology of the area then that is a problem. Putting gas in the ground also seems bad. But the killing and eating of snakes is fine.

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