Saturday, 12 May 2018
quote [ If we're going to reverse the 40-year decline of the middle class and reduce the widening gap between the super-rich and everyone else, we must restore the constitutional right of workers to collectively bargain for a better life. ]
Bernie is going to put the power of a platform to the test. He is going to run into some strong head wins. The constant barrage of noise coming out of Trump, His own party trying desperately to hang on to the old order, and most important a News Media who has no incentive to cover him or his message.
The forces allied against him a formidable probably even stronger than in 16 The difference this time is he is not coming in to this late or unprepared.
First of all he is not unknown has face recognition and a known record to run on. He has a viable political organization and has a presence in cyber space. But next week there will be another network or newspaper story about how The Democratic Party stands for nothing but the anti Trump party or that Do Democrats Really Need a Message? even though it is plainly said... Health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege. Every man, woman and child in our country should be able to access the health care they need ... We must ensure that no full-time worker lives in poverty. The current federal minimum wage is starvation pay and must become a living wage. We must increase the MW to $15 dollars an hour ... Combating Climate Change to Save the Planet... Private prisons...Student debt....and all of these have white papers laying out of the details. Bottom line it looks like Bernie is in this and if the Old SOB has one more run in I am going to follow...
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bbqkink said @ 11:07pm GMT on 13th May
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bbqkink said @ 1:04am GMT on 14th May
Donald J. Trump
(@realDonaldTrump) President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done! President Trump says he's working with China to save ZTE |
satanspenis666 said @ 1:55am GMT on 13th May
While I personally like Bernie and support many of these changes, I don't think that any other politicians are likely to push this agenda at this time. We are at full employment and politicians are not likely to push for labor changes when people are working. Economists and politicians will argue that the free market will lead to higher worker rights and wages.
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electric guppy said[1] @ 3:17am GMT on 14th May
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We are at full employment
If I can find the article I read a few days ago on this point, I will follow up with a link. The author's premise was that we are not at full employment. The official unemployment numbers only include people actively looking for work. There is a large pool of uncounted potential workers who will take work if it becomes available. This pool is the reason wages continue to remain low, and will remain low until the pool shrinks enough (whatever percentage that turns out to be). But we need some other statistics beyond the official unemployment numbers in order to get a handle on the wage situation. Update: Although I have not yet located the (fuller) analysis I was thinking of, this is a brief summary: There Is No U.S. Wage Growth Mystery (14 Jul 2017) |
mechavolt said @ 2:45am GMT on 13th May
The problem is that "full employment" is only full in the sense that the jobs are technically filled. While the number of jobs has rebounded since the recession, a significant proportion of them are underpaid. Which means your tax dollars, and yes I'm talking to you numbers, are subsidizing the wages of these underpaid jobs through welfare programs. People need to spend enough to survive, and the money is coming from somewhere. What I just don't understand is why the hypocritical right feels that they should be paying for it through taxes instead of higher wages direct from the employer.
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Taxman said @ 4:16am GMT on 13th May
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rylex said @ 4:37am GMT on 13th May
Because class war.
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lilmookieesquire said @ 1:35pm GMT on 13th May
McDonalds and Walmart specifically balance salaries with social programs factored in.
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mechavolt said @ 3:44pm GMT on 13th May
Exactly my point! If the right actually cared about their supposed platform, this should piss them off. I especially hate their argument that if we raised the minimum wage, that everything would cost more. They're already paying to subsidize wages, the costs are already there! Except in the current setup, the corporations benefit, and the workers suffer.
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Hugh E. said @ 3:51pm GMT on 13th May
What makes you believe The Right think they should be paying for it through taxes? The Right want neither living wages nor social assistance. The Right want cheap labor and a lower class.
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1111 said @ 12:55pm GMT on 13th May
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mechavolt said @ 3:41pm GMT on 13th May
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http://www.sensibleendowment.com/entry.php/11719
I'm sorry, what was that about not running away from conversations? |
1111 said @ 4:36pm GMT on 13th May
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Taxman said @ 7:32pm GMT on 13th May
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You’re a sock puppet account. You could be 3456, or fish, or norok, or any other asshat on the forum. The point is you avoid conversations where you would be made to look foolish. You avoid having a named account that you have to stick with, because then people would be able to call you out for what you’re attempting to call them out for.
Mechavolt is pointing out you were silent in the article that made you and your ilk look foolish. You ran away when I asked you what leader killed Osama Bin Laden. You said you were ‘done’ and left. Are you implying that others can’t do the same with you? |
1111 said @ 8:11pm GMT on 13th May
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Taxman said @ 10:57pm GMT on 13th May
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I was having a discussion with 3456. Now this might be coincidence but you and that account put spaces before your first sentence and your last sentence. So weird right? Two sock puppet accounts that have the same writing style?
The way you want it: People can call you out, but only on your individual sock puppet accounts. If you talk shit under another account and then use this one to specifically to only call out people you think have wronged you, you’re acting in bad faith. As I said, get a real account, and people might take you seriously. |
arrowhen said @ 11:36pm GMT on 13th May
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If 1111 and 3456 aren't the same person, they at least have the same mother...
--http://sensibleendowment.com/comment.php/11715/132177
--http://sensibleendowment.com/comment.php/11685/131887 |
1111 said @ 11:19pm GMT on 13th May
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Taxman said @ 12:05am GMT on 14th May
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arrowhen said @ 12:15am GMT on 14th May
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At least he finally admitted to the sockpuppetting!
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1111 said[2] @ 12:46am GMT on 14th May
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Taxman said @ 2:08am GMT on 14th May
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Well since you’re 1111 and 3456 that means you want people to “celebrate” Trump’s ‘success’ on North Korea. You want a nobel prize before doing anything. Trump just wiped the Iran deal without showing any evidence of wrongdoing. What’s to stop him from doing the same thing to N Korea? What’s to stop N Korea from thinking the same thing will happen with the next president when Trump is shortly out of office?
So you want praise for success, ok. Let’s do a check to make sure you’re serious then. Who was the leader that took out Osama bin Laden? Has nothing to do with Korea. Just want to see what your memory says. What you can say yourself. |
1111 said @ 5:28am GMT on 14th May
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Taxman said @ 11:28am GMT on 14th May
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But it has everything to do with your argument. You can’t (won’t) do what you’re asking everyone here to do. Why should anyone take you seriously?
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bbqkink said @ 9:00pm GMT on 13th May
I don't think that any other politicians are likely to push this agenda at this time.
Or at any other time they weren't forced into doing it...VOTE!! |
steele said @ 12:58pm GMT on 13th May
A quick excerpt from The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century Added emphasis mine. :D
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bbqkink said @ 12:29am GMT on 14th May
A POPULIST, CLINTONIAN AND PRO-TRUMP DEM DUKE IT OUT
A Pennsylvania House Race Embodies The Fight For The Future Of The Democratic Party “This is a race that people around the country should probably be watching closely,” one strategist said. |
bbqkink said @ 1:32am GMT on 14th May
Home Depot founder on Bernie Sanders: ‘This is the antichrist!’ Come on guys I thought you all said that was Obama...
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bbqkink said[1] @ 7:36pm GMT on 14th May
The US Senate is scheduled to vote Wednesday, May 16 on whether to reverse the Federal Communications Commission's repeal of net neutrality rules.
Republican senators were hoping to avoid the vote, but Democrats are using a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution to force the full Senate to vote. The CRA resolution would nullify the FCC's December 2017 vote to deregulate broadband and kill net neutrality rules and would prevent the FCC from taking similar actions in the future. I'm not sure if they have any chance of passing this or if it is just to get the names of those who will vote against it. I'll be willing to bet it doesn't get a vote in the house. |
mechanical contrivance said @ 8:01pm GMT on 14th May
It might pass the senate, but it won't pass the house. Even if it passed both the senate and the house, Trump would veto it.
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1111 said[2] @ 1:23am GMT on 14th May
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arrowhen said @ 2:15am GMT on 14th May
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Taxman said @ 2:26am GMT on 14th May
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1111 said[1] @ 5:22am GMT on 14th May
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Taxman said @ 11:43am GMT on 14th May
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