Friday, 27 April 2018

High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University

quote [ Huge shortages loom in the skilled trades, which require less — and cheaper — training. Should that make students rethink the four-year degree? ]

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[by arrowhen@5:32pmGMT]


Taxman said @ 6:34pm GMT on 27th Apr [Score:1 Funny]
bbqkink said @ 8:01pm GMT on 27th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
rezties said @ 8:32pm GMT on 27th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
My dad makes decent money these days, as a tradesperson. He also has two bad knees, one wrist fused the other not but almost as bad, his arches are completely collapsed and etc etc., I'm not sure how he's going to enjoy his retirement.

The money only tempts young, healthy kids to fill the sector rich old men want filled.
foobar said @ 8:59pm GMT on 27th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
That's exactly it; your dad is lucky none of those injuries make him unemployable.
Ankylosaur said @ 8:34pm GMT on 27th Apr
"The money only tempts young, healthy kids to fill the sector rich old men want filled." Tagline?
mechanical contrivance said @ 8:39pm GMT on 27th Apr
Bend over, I'll fill the sector rich old men want filled.
Wadysseus said @ 7:50pm GMT on 28th Apr
Just sent off an inquiry to a local carpentry apprenticeship program because I'm tired of being poor and out of work, but I'm also in my early 30s and just starting to realize how much my body doesn't like bouncing back anymore.

Wellp, gotta put bacon in my skillet somehow...
mechanical contrivance said @ 12:51pm GMT on 30th Apr [Score:1 Informative]
Try plumbing. It sucks, but it pays well.
HoZay said @ 2:00pm GMT on 30th Apr [Score:1 Informative]
Carpentry is satisfying work, and pays well if you get union wages, but the drive to lower costs is fierce. Where I live (US midwest) framers with nail guns build walls with precut studs, prebuilt trusses are lifted on to the walls, and immigrant roofers top it off. Not to discourage you, but I'm pretty sure it's a trend.
captainstubing said @ 3:41am GMT on 28th Apr
Honestly I think more of 'The Yoof' should delay university until they are a bit older. I teach a lot of young first year students and I'm convinced they would be far better off working, traveling, drinking and rooting until they are 25 or so. Hopefully by then they will have a much clearer view of who they are and what they find engaging.

Much of higher education for the youngest undergrads seems to be a very expensive signalling exercise. There must be better ways to send those signals.
foobar said @ 4:54am GMT on 28th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
Sure: have a basic income system so people aren't terrified they'll die on the streets if they don't follow one path.
captainstubing said @ 12:53pm GMT on 28th Apr
I don't think any of my kids are actually worried about dying on the streets regardless of the choices they make (unless that choice is to go to the San Fermin and run with the bulls).
But I do think we should encourage them to work/ run wild for a few years/ make some mistakes/ get the clap/ have their hearts utterly broken before they come to uni. Almost none of the academics I work with went from school to uni, they all went off and did other stuff until they found their thing. And there is nothing wrong with skilled practical work.
foobar said @ 6:14pm GMT on 28th Apr
You can't just jump into skilled practical work; that takes training. A high school degree will get you unreliable, minimum wage employment. You won't be running wild or have the leeway to make mistakes on that.
HoZay said @ 6:12am GMT on 28th Apr
A couple of years of military service used to cover that.
captainstubing said @ 12:55pm GMT on 28th Apr
Sure, but then your military are baby sitters. Also, I don't think the military works except for a fairly small bunch who do well in that institutional setting. Most don't.
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:00pm GMT on 28th Apr
I don't know if this is still the case, but when I was in college, kids needed to remain a full time student or else they would get kicked off their parents health insurance plans. If you did anything else besides enroll in college full time immediately after high school, you were off your parents' health insurance and couldn't get back on it.
captainstubing said @ 10:57pm GMT on 28th Apr
Well yeah, that might be different there. Here they will have public cover regardless of what they are doing.

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