Sunday, 8 April 2018

I guess I'll talk about Ready Player One

quote [ I've been on the internet long enough to know that in the interest of realism at least 30% of these avatars would be furries... and some of them would be in diapers. ]

I haven't seen the movie yet. I'll probably wait till it's streaming. I'm more of a Snowcrash guy.
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[by steele@9:28pmGMT]

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arrowhen said @ 12:52am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:4]
I finally got around to reading the book yesterday. Hoo boy.

It can be hard for younger folks to believe, and older folks to remember, but in the days before the internet and "geek culture" it was sometimes possible for someone with geeky interests to make it to high school, college, or even beyond without ever actually meeting another geek. Maybe you lived in a small town, or had strict parents, or couldn't afford to travel halfway across the state to the nearest sci-fi convention. Maybe you kept your hobbies a secret because you didn't want the other guys on the basketball team making fun of you, or you figured out that girls were more likely to talk to you if you weren't wearing a tee shirt with a dragon on it.

What that meant was that an openly geeky person could sometimes find themselves in the awkward position of being some poor extremely enthusiastic geek's very first geek friend. Eventually they'd calm the fuck down, but for the first few weeks or whatever, every time you saw them they'd open with some variery of "HAY FELLOW GEEK! LOOK AT ME, I'M GEEKING!!" cram as many Monty Python quotes and tenuous gaming references ("Oops, I dropped my pencil! CRITICAL FUMBLE!") as possible into the conversation, and basically hump your nerd leg until you were ready to swat them with a rolled up newspaper.

Ready Player One read just like that.
Dienes said @ 1:31am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:2]
There's so, so much wrong with the book that I am not interested in the movie. I won't get into the clumsy virtue signaling, the casual misogyny, the abysmal plotting, or the terrible protagonist because there's articles and articles on that.

But a little thing that pisses me off is there's all these little errors in the book that show Cline wasn't even into most of this stuff and did only the laziest, most cursory research when trying to depict these things. Ex: his description of the opening house in Zork doesn't match the text description or the graphic representation in the game. What does it match? The game's fucking BOX.
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:38am GMT on 9th Apr
Zork had a box? (my parents didn't love me and I had a pirated copy)
arrowhen said[1] @ 6:15am GMT on 9th Apr
dolemite said[2] @ 4:07pm GMT on 9th Apr
What a difference a few decades can make. I never thought anything of that cover when I saw it in shops back in the day, now it is awesomely wrong on so many levels:

The heroic warrior and paragon of 70's manhood looks like he was on his way to Pride week when he stopped for a bit of fun with his sparkle sword.

The goblin cowering on the ground in his shabby clothes is hopelessly outgunned here. This is a robbery homicide in progress.

The jaguar-man creature in the background is just watching the poor goblin get snuffed...and we can't see what he's doing with his other hand.
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:30am GMT on 10th Apr
What is the giant trough of meat supposed to be?
dolemite said @ 5:02am GMT on 10th Apr
It's just a trough of raw meat. Everyone had one of those back in the 70s.
arrowhen said @ 6:08am GMT on 10th Apr
It's how we made our beef jerky back then, before the Ronco Electric Food Dehydrator and Beef Jerky Maker took came along and took all the artistry out of the process. You'd dissolve alternating layers of raw beef and macrame in a vat of Jovan Musk and then airbrush the resulting mixture onto the side of a Chevy conversion van to dry.

Only 70s kids will remember!
dolemite said @ 2:47pm GMT on 10th Apr
I only switched to Jovan Musk when they stopped selling Hai Karate.
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:29am GMT on 10th Apr
That's not an Orc*! That's a tiny little goblin*!

*as in hobgoblin/goblin; orc/ur-whatever
cb361 said @ 12:12pm GMT on 9th Apr
Leather Goddesses of Phobos had a comic? No wonder I couldn't have sex with the Sultan's wife.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:21am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Sad]
I still haven’t found anyone who ever wanted to play dungeons and dragons with me.
arrowhen said @ 8:33am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
I find the hard part isn't even finding people who want to play, it's finding people who want to play and can all schedule the same 4-6 hour chunk of free time on a semi-regular basis.
dolemite said @ 4:21pm GMT on 9th Apr
True dat. And then a couple of your players bring various social maturity issues to the table and you're looking for people again. By the time you find a stable group that can let each other have fun some of you find or replace life partners and/or start having kids and the whole endeavor is doomed again.

Pre-internet it's a miracle the game ever got the kind of traction that it did.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:21am GMT on 9th Apr
The video games were a god send
rylex said @ 11:48am GMT on 9th Apr
I found people to play D&D with me, but never a second time.
Silent said @ 12:48pm GMT on 9th Apr
I will run 5E for you via Roll20, if you want me to Mookie.
lilmookieesquire said @ 2:31pm GMT on 9th Apr
Thanks Silent. I think I'm gonna have to stick to junkfood like Rogue Crawlers. Ala Pixel Dungeon. I'd love to see it posted on SE though- but that may not be... realistic?
Silent said @ 3:49pm GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Hot Pr0n]
The offer is there Mookie, starter module shouldn't take more than an evening or two on Roll20, comes with pre-made characters.
I have been wanting to play more D&D, my only current game is once a month so I am not being completely selfless here.
biblebeltdrunk said @ 3:15pm GMT on 9th Apr
trying do do it on site maybe, but getting a group together and moving to myth weavers/roll 20 or such seems more viable.
Headlessfriar said @ 12:49pm GMT on 9th Apr
I play with my kids, and between their homework and my work schedule, we find it pretty hard. I did play a lot when I was in high school, but then I had 8 hours blocked off every Sunday for it. Plus, fewer responsibilities than as an adult now.
Menchi said @ 11:41pm GMT on 8th Apr [Score:2]
This reminded me of another video I saw about RPO-- which, it turns out as I search for it, is by the very same person. It's basically the same thing but with more snark.
Ready Player One for Girls
Taxman said[1] @ 12:54am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
Holy shit this has all the "EVERY BOOK, EVERY GAME, EVERY SONG" that made the audio book so annoying.
steele said @ 12:00am GMT on 9th Apr
Saw that one too. :D
conception said @ 9:45pm GMT on 9th Apr
Her video on Rogue One is on point if you haven't seen it.
steele said @ 9:53pm GMT on 9th Apr
I like her suicide squad script doctor vid. I think that was the first of hers I ran across.
moriati said @ 10:09pm GMT on 8th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
+1 Neal Stephenson
steele said @ 10:43pm GMT on 8th Apr
Except when he gets all quantum crap!
Neal Stephenson said @ 3:21am GMT on 9th Apr
Do you have time to hear about our lord and savior, BeOS?
blacksun said[1] @ 10:33pm GMT on 8th Apr
I haven't seen it, nor read the book, and based on what I've heard (Half in the Bag), I'm in no rush to do so. Grew up on Gibson and Stephenson too. Maybe I'm just old. I'm so far ahead of the curve, I'm over the hill!
steele said @ 10:42pm GMT on 8th Apr
It's not a great book, but it's the VR book that the current gen grew up on. I remember when Oculus first hit the scene, Snowcrash and RPO were the bibles everyone was bandying about. Of course then oculus sold out to the company that was essentially the villains Of RPO. So....
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:15am GMT on 9th Apr
It’s dystopian future Harry Potter.
steele said @ 1:30am GMT on 9th Apr
It's the most likely dystopia. Plus, brainwashing!
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:07am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
Except for the whole universal online education and the poor having access to VR.

I would love to have seen Neo-Comcast throttle his connection right before he was going to win.
foobar said @ 4:37am GMT on 9th Apr
That part seems plausible. 20 years ago, who'd have thought homeless people would have smartphones and internet access?
arrowhen said @ 6:11am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:2 Funny]
William Gibson, probably.
steele said @ 11:19am GMT on 9th Apr
LOL, you're kidding, right? A virtual charter school? I bet that's standard roleplaying fare over in /r/NeoliberalsGoneWild.
lilmookieesquire said @ 12:54am GMT on 10th Apr
Oh, I mean I could see more of a Brave New World propaganda/ 1984 hour of hate thing Fox News thing.
damnit said @ 11:22pm GMT on 8th Apr
The movie was a good mix of averaging out all 80s and gaming reference and Internet lingo for the masses into a PG-13 movie.

If you liked Wreck-It Ralph, you'll like Ready Player One and the upcoming Ralph Breaks the Internet: Wreck-It Ralph 2
Nerdman said[1] @ 11:37pm GMT on 8th Apr
Just saw it because Quiet Place was sold out.

‘Read’ the book on audio on a long work drive.

T.J. Miller is best part of the movie. Should have replaced the villain they used.

Analysis in link is pretty spot on.

Total spoilers:
Reveal
She seems confused how online RPG’s that have crafting work and makes several points about how an online economy couldn’t exist. WOW and EVE online disprove this. Why isn’t everything created +100 invincible shirt of the gods? Because in most games they restrict the elements used to create items.

They basically changed all three challenges from the book which really changes the 'voice' of what the challenges were meant to impart (in my opinion). Something the above post and movie touches on but doesn't really go into depth is that when the challenge is announced (book) no-one can find the first key or anything even touching on it. The whole event basically comes to a standstill because the creator made the first obstacle too obscure. Similar to the "sword in the stone", it's there, but everyone is ignoring it at this point except the obsessives (gunters?).

It's a good CGI romp but the story will only impress teenagers I feel.

Problems I had:

The movie was PG-13, but in the book IOI throws Daito (represented as an 11 year old in the movie) out of his real life window killing him. I think this would have added to the "rush against time" to find the egg because this company is literally killing you when they find you.

Corporate drones (red ones) can do anything they want. They appear to use them to hunt down their enemies and even plant bombs. It's unrealistic they haven't weaponized them with firearms. The 'bad' corporation IOI real-life foot soldiers are armed and 'arresting' people, pretty sure they wouldn't feel bad about arming their drones.

The cops that show up at the end look like they are literally from 2010. No advanced technology, tactics, or even reason to be there except that someone says they have a "recording" of evil acts... in a world where you can create a simulated room where people don't even know they are jacked in.
damnit said @ 12:19am GMT on 9th Apr
We're supposed to have flying cars by now. The leap in tech is happening with CGI. It's not farfetched
Taxman said @ 12:41am GMT on 9th Apr
I don't think we get flying cars in our lifetime. Too much can go wrong, and everyone below you has a bad day.
dolemite said @ 3:06am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Funsightful]
Agreed. Widespread, every-home availability of flying cars is a complete no-go without a vast upgrade to the world's communication, guidance and geolocation networks as well as an energy source that can allow small vehicles to provide VTOL and long-range flight with low emissions and low operating cost.

It seems more likely to me that when such technology emerges and the flying car becomes available to the masses we will neither own those vehicles nor pilot them. It's more likely we'll see an automated sky-UBER scenario than a Jetsons scenario.

And that's probably for the best. The street racing enthusiasts and the mouthbreathers out there rolling coal will likely never be fit to pilot an aircraft, even one with digital training wheels.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:18am GMT on 9th Apr
I’ll settle for just having a decent flow of traffic.
dolemite said @ 4:39pm GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Sad]
Sorry to tell you the odds are still better on the flying car. See: people
foobar said @ 12:23am GMT on 9th Apr
30% would be furries if it came out now, but it's supposed to be the far future where everyone uses VR. The sort of people that were on the internet in 1998 aren't the sort on it in 2018.
steele said @ 12:50am GMT on 9th Apr
Not true, there are still plenty of perverts on the internet.
lilmookieesquire said @ 1:20am GMT on 9th Apr
It’s more akward when the avatar pegging you could be your grandma.
dolemite said @ 4:38pm GMT on 9th Apr
I knew it was grandma when she ignored my safeword.
lilmookieesquire said @ 12:56am GMT on 10th Apr
Never make "grandma" your safeword.
dolemite said @ 5:04am GMT on 10th Apr
Well yeah, I know that NOW...
Taxman said @ 1:27am GMT on 9th Apr
And we really appreciate you gathering them all on the same site for us. ;-)
steele said @ 1:46am GMT on 9th Apr
I should have stuck to my guns better. The bumper sticker was pretty specific. :P
Taxman said @ 1:53am GMT on 9th Apr [Score:1 Funny]
You be sure to keep receipts of whatever you collect. We're going to expect ~30% of whatever you get. Thanks again. ;)
JWWargo said @ 1:56am GMT on 9th Apr
Aside from hearing the book title and having knowledge that Spielberg was adapting it for film, this is the most I've seen or read about it. I also learned a new term for this "genre" of book: LitRPG.

I was reminded of when I was a teen and attempted to collect all the info I could find online from game manuals to build a planet in which every NES original creation (no ported games or ones adapted from other media) lived and interacted on a giant landmass in their respective kingdoms. I made some plot about Dr. Light finding these orbs on the moon that orbited the planet that, unbeknownst to anyone, contained a mysterious dark energy that turned all the princesses evil and erupted a huge war. It was about a decade later that I first heard of "Game of Thrones" and realized I had basically been creating an 8-bit version of that.
Mythtyn said @ 9:36am GMT on 9th Apr
Loved the book. Probably because i loved the book, I was disappointed in the movie. They changed too much that didn't need to be changed for cinematic conversion. If i had not read the book then the movie probably would have been much more enjoyable.
MFDork said @ 7:46pm GMT on 9th Apr
Ready Player One (the book) was indistinguishable from a Family Guy episode: just constant non-sequitors referencing better narratives.

It was fucking booooooring.

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