Monday, 2 April 2018

We Have Rights

quote [ An empowerment campaign to prepare for and safely defend our rights during encounters with Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE). ]



Nearly 2,000 people stopped in 9 days under Donald Trump's travel ban - and almost all of them were legal US residents

Week of Hell: Dozens of African Detainees Allege Serial Abuse and Hate Crimes at Notorious Private Immigration Jail
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[by raphael_the_turtle@5:06pmGMT]

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Mythtyn said[3] @ 12:41am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:3 Funny]
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5th Earth said @ 9:07pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:1 Sad]
Is there a word for trolling trolls? Because I think this post just did it.
raphael_the_turtle said @ 9:53pm GMT on 2nd Apr
Let's not blame the posts for their trolling ways, please.
5th Earth said @ 10:31pm GMT on 2nd Apr
Well, I intended this in a good way. Judge your friends by their enemies, that sort of thing.
raphael_the_turtle said @ 10:40pm GMT on 2nd Apr
I get it, but if we gotta plan our posts around what's going to trigger them I'm not going to be able to post anymore.
5th Earth said @ 12:06am GMT on 3rd Apr
In case you hadn't noticed, I'm generally in favor of triggering them. Especially with this sort of thing.
raphael_the_turtle said @ 12:36am GMT on 3rd Apr
I wouldn't mind them being triggered if they could do it quietly in their own bathroom like the good lord intended.

So do you think we need to form a new kind of underground railroad in america? A resistance that goes beyond a hashtag and marches?
3333 said @ 2:22pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-5 Boring]
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3333 said @ 11:22pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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Hugh E. said @ 11:35pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:1 Funny]
You're so troll, I bet you think this troll is about you.
3333 said @ 1:53am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-5 Boring]
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Menchi said @ 11:29pm GMT on 2nd Apr
Getting downvoted is akin to "the hive mind losing its shit entirely"? Are you sure he's the one who needs a little perspective?
3333 said[1] @ 11:43pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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5th Earth said @ 12:08am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-1]
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3333 said[2] @ 1:38am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-5 Boring]
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arrowhen said @ 4:40pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-3 Underrated]
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steele said @ 9:16pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-1 Underrated]
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Taxman said @ 1:04am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:1 Informative]
Not to throw this all on you steele but... *heave*.

You're the law around these parts. You have the power to strike back instead of dictating that 5 reasonable people go through the trouble of down-modding a post with which the offender can copy and paste the exact same post, clearing the 'effort' of the down-modders.

You're telling people to fill holes with fantasy dirt and non-existent shovels and then complaining that it's the community's fault the potholes are still here.

I've been trying to cultivate some of our counsel to join the community (if you think my rants are long...) and they've been watching. But this post was discussed at length about not having a single comment on the article in question.

From one of them (paraphrasing): "Moderation works when you have a thriving community that needs to only exert minimal effort to quiet bad eggs. However, you cannot accomplish that when a small number can simply ignore what little ramifications exist. They (the trolls) are literally discussing within the article how the lack of any punitive measures are a farce. This would be similar to us going into a courtroom when there is no bailiff, and the judge has neither the will nor patience to ensure order in the court. What hope has anyone to have a reasonable dialogue in such an emotional environment? Why would one expect the audience to self-regulate?"

I know I'm a broken record. Yes it would make you the babysitter and the person that has to code more permanent punishments for low karma but you implied to me that the idea was to get more readership, commentators, and community. Not that these are the lurkers you may have been looking for, but they have expressed concerns about joining a primarily 'filtered comment under your threshold' discussion.
steele said @ 1:24am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-1 Underrated]
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arrowhen said @ 4:14am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-2 Underrated]
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arrowhen said @ 9:44pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-3 Underrated]
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steele said @ 9:48pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-1 Underrated]
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arrowhen said @ 12:32am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-3 Underrated]
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steele said @ 1:15am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-1 Underrated]
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arrowhen said @ 4:07am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-3 Underrated]
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Taxman said @ 1:00pm GMT on 4th Apr [Score:0 Underrated]
But isn’t that the argument? Maryyugo offered something, ANYTHING, other than solely shitposting. I can understand your argument with norok as I’ve spoken to him myself. He’s... trying. However, some of the others are solely here to disrupt the dialogue, are insane, or both.

The point is (I feel) there needs to be a minimum level of decency enforced OR a tit-for-tat trade off of racism traded for puns, reasonable dialogue after the racism, or something. As it stands there’s nothing, and this cycle repeats every week or so. It’s especially disheartening on articles that could have had a robust discussion both ways. Some lurkers were very interested in everyone’s opinion on this topic for example.
steele said[3] @ 12:16pm GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-1 Underrated]
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3333 said @ 7:45pm GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-5 Boring]
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norok said @ 12:06am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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arrowhen said @ 10:06pm GMT on 2nd Apr
The word for trolling trolls is "trolling".
The word for trolling trolls while at the same time complaining about trolls and the people who feed them is "utter fucking hypocrisy."
raphael_the_turtle said @ 10:29pm GMT on 2nd Apr
You should have seen my sign at the local March For Our Lives rally I went to: I'm only here to troll norok.

It got some weird looks, but why else would I have gone? /s
3333 said @ 2:54pm GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-3 Boring]
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norok said @ 5:48pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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raphael_the_turtle said @ 7:16pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:1 Funsightful]
Making fun of vandwellers on a website owned by a homeless man. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it plays out for them.
Fish said @ 2:23am GMT on 4th Apr [Score:-3 Boring]
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norok said[2] @ 7:48pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-4 Boring]
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bbqkink said @ 9:09pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-2 Good]
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Fish said @ 6:25pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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5th Earth said @ 12:09am GMT on 3rd Apr [Score:-4 Underrated]
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3333 said @ 7:18pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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raphael_the_turtle said @ 7:19pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:0 Funsightful]
steele, told you so.
norok said @ 7:43pm GMT on 2nd Apr [Score:-5 Unworthy Self Link]
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