Wednesday, 14 March 2018

A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “100 percent fatal”

quote [ Nectome will preserve your brain, but you have to be euthanized first. ]

I wonder how many quatloos this will cost...
[SFW] [science & technology] [+7 Funny]
[by Bob Denver@8:35pmGMT]

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milkman666 said @ 5:04pm GMT on 15th Mar [Score:2]
We are bob, We are legion. 3 book scifi series. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Basically, a silicon valley millionaire gets brain frozen after death. Is resurrected as a simulation. Tries to figure out how to live as a posthuman installed in a von neuman probe.
JWWargo said @ 7:53pm GMT on 15th Mar
Holy crap I would probably really dig this book. I used to dream about having my mind downloaded into a satellite and being launched into space to float around the universe for a few eons.
Jack Blue said @ 9:11pm GMT on 14th Mar [Score:1 Underrated]
It's like a mix of the mi-go and the reanimator...
JWWargo said @ 2:30am GMT on 15th Mar [Score:1 Underrated]
Somewhat related, anyone seen the new Netflix sci-fi series ALTERED CARBON? I gave it a go and ended up marathoning it over a few nights. High concept stuff, enjoyed the story, the acting was okay, but the dialogue sometimes atrocious. Many roll your eye moments, but overall enjoyable to watch.
satanspenis666 said @ 3:14am GMT on 15th Mar [Score:2]
I enjoyed it.

Also somewhat related, I'd recommend reading this online book. I want to say it was posted on the old SE.
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect
Headlessfriar said @ 9:44am GMT on 15th Mar
That is a good book, and yes it was. I read it because of old SE. Still worth reposting here.
zarathustra said @ 8:15am GMT on 15th Mar
I sort of liked it with similar reservations that you have. But I also thought it had a big problem in that it didn't even really address the issue that this is not immortality. This is you die buy we make a copy that will think it is you. Sort of like the transporter.
arrowhen said @ 5:00pm GMT on 15th Mar
Normal resleeving isn't making a copy though; the cortical stack that contains your memories and consciousness is taken out of your old sleeve and put into a new one. Your "self" exists in your sleeve's brain in the short term and your stack in the long term and when your stack gets moved to a new sleeve the same "self" goes with it. It's like building a new computer and putting your old hard drive in it: same OS and data, just running on new hardware.
When rich people upload their backups into a new stack, that *is* making a copy, which I see as a commentary on how at a certain level of wealth your money and ambitions are as much a part of your "self" as the individual at the center of them.
JWWargo said @ 7:48pm GMT on 15th Mar
That is how I understood the technology in the show.
zarathustra said @ 9:46am GMT on 16th Mar
That's not quite how I understood it I was thinking of the self it an emergent property of the combination of the wetware and the software and that the stack was just a back up of the software to overwrite new wetware. In regards to the story, your understanding of it makes more sense. ( The transporter still kills your ass.)
JWWargo said @ 10:27am GMT on 16th Mar
I looked at the stack as a sort of soul. When a stack was put in a new body it was like you resumed where you left off (I think?). I don't remember them explaining what it was like for the person when the body died. Your consciouness goes into a limbo of sorts?
zarathustra said[1] @ 11:57am GMT on 16th Mar
Well I think it is pretty clear that the religious thought of it as a sort of soul cage. ( Or perhaps that those who were brought back were soulless copies) The non-religious didn't seem to apply any metaphysical value to it although the behavior of the sadistic rich certainly seemed a caricature of what the religious claim a world without god would be like. Anyone know if the book goes in to any of that?

I am non-religious myself, but am fascinated by the philosophy of religion.


In regard to time between sleeves, I had the impression that there was no consciousness during that time however that would make their prison system pretty lame as it would just be a matter of suddenly finding yourself in the future in a new body.
Pandafaust said @ 10:14am GMT on 15th Mar
I really enjoyed it! I'm told the book its based on is worth reading too. I'll be keen for seasons 2 and 3 if they get off the ground. Some variation in quality of performances, but thought the tatooed guy needs lots of love for his ability to play his varied roles!

Also: as to original post. This seems like a bit of a win-win for the creators. If it works, great! If it doesn't work? Well, it's gonna be pretty hard to sue...
JWWargo said @ 7:51pm GMT on 15th Mar
Tatooed guy as Spanish grandmother was hilarious! Also all the child actors did a surprisingly well job, especially main character as a boy.
mechavolt said[1] @ 10:35pm GMT on 14th Mar
Anyone considering freezing themselves for the future should go read Transmetropolitan.

Well, everyone should read it. But those people should specifically read the issue with the woman who is thawed out.
rylex said @ 3:14am GMT on 15th Mar
I watched Futurama. I'm sure it was close enough.
robotroadkill said @ 12:05am GMT on 15th Mar
If you're terminal and at death's door already, sure why not? But remember this isn't "you" being preserved and resurrected, it'll be a separate instance of you brought into being - and your "you" will be just as dead as ever. Imagine if they could duplicate you ahead of time - still want to be euthanized?
Dienes said @ 1:03am GMT on 15th Mar
Welp, time to go re-play SOMA.
5th Earth said @ 1:15pm GMT on 15th Mar
Thus ignoring the significant impact on mental processes that the rest of your body has. I believe simulated people may be possible one day, but I'm pretty sure a full-body scan will be necessary for true fidelity. The mind-body barrier is a lot more porous than these people make it out to be.
Taxman said @ 10:19pm GMT on 15th Mar
“I used to think that the brain was the most important organ in my entire body. Then I thought about who was telling me this.”
Bob Denver said @ 10:10pm GMT on 15th Mar
I think the biggest problem is that we're discovering that our micro-biome is fundamental to our selves. The scanning would have to capture every single critter that forms these walking worlds we call 'Me'.
HoZay said @ 3:43am GMT on 16th Mar

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