Thursday, 7 December 2017

Al Franken says he will resign amid sexual misconduct allegations

quote [ “I know who I really am,” Franken said in a speech on the Senate floor Thursday. “Nothing I have done as a senator has brought dishonor on this institution, and I am confident that the ethics committee would agree. Nevertheless, today I am announcing that in the coming weeks that I will be resigning as a member of the United States Senate.” ]

Well, shit. Moral Panic takes out one the best.

Zero Tolerance is a dumbass policy. He won't be the last (on the left).
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[by HoZay@5:15pmGMT]

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C18H27NO3 said @ 6:52pm GMT on 7th Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
I wouldn't have resigned. I would have released a statement suggesting a resignation is what your morality tells you to do, but you cannot engage in and participate in double standards - because resigning would be a double standard. Ok for republicans but not for democrats? I would resign if roy moore drops out of the race. I would resign if dumpster steps down. It's clear that the republican party has no morals, and will elect a child molester. Elect a serial sexual harasser without compunction, thereby making a mockery of government and the country's moral compass in order to pass the conservative agenda.

We need to apply the same standards applied to business to government, since conservatives want business in government. The first order of business is to address those in government NOW. Not yesterday, or 20 years ago. Somebody who held office 20-30 years ago is not in a position to affect legislation directly, therefore discussing clinton's alleged crimes is a waste of time and irrelevant today.

Then I'd hand it to a better writer who can craft a more elegant statement.
foobar said @ 7:31pm GMT on 7th Dec
You can't have it both ways, though. You can't call on Moore and Trump to be removed for something you wouldn't boot a Democrat for.
Hugh E. said @ 8:11pm GMT on 7th Dec
Or to put it another way, "you cannot engage in and participate in double standards - because resigning would be a double standard."
lilmookieesquire said @ 8:18pm GMT on 7th Dec
*the democrats can’t have it both ways
norok said @ 10:22pm GMT on 7th Dec [Score:-1]
filtered comment under your threshold
foobar said @ 11:53pm GMT on 7th Dec [Score:4 Funsightful]
You were so close to not being an utter douchebag there. So close.
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:20pm GMT on 7th Dec [Score:1 Insightful]
“I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party."

Well said. I get that a core element of being a liberal theoretically not being hypocritical, but I’m not sure how much stronger feminism in government is going to be because of this.
foobar said @ 7:32pm GMT on 7th Dec
Should it be made stronger regardless the cost?
lilmookieesquire said @ 8:14pm GMT on 7th Dec
I think it’s the right thing in that it’s a political liability to the movement and I’d like to be able to look up to and respect the senate. The progressive party might be weaker for it. Or maybe stronger for standing by its ideals? Practical me thinks he should stay and idealistic me thinks he should leave and maybe they both aren’t wrong,

But I do think his political effectiveness is compromised due to the allegations and maybe the practical thing is a smooth tradition.
foobar said @ 11:54pm GMT on 7th Dec
Weaker in the short term, stronger in the long term. Like defeating Clinton.
lilmookieesquire said @ 12:04am GMT on 8th Dec
^ He’s a fair gov.
Hugh E. said @ 8:41pm GMT on 9th Dec
LBJ was very instrumental in passing the Civil Rights Act. LBJ was often terrible. Yes, it was worth it.
King Of The Hill said @ 11:03pm GMT on 7th Dec
Or perhaps he's leaving as he knows he won't pass scrutiny in the ethics panel because you know... It's hard to imagine someone willingly resigning while coming up with excuses for what they are accused of instead of admitting it or refusing to resign and screaming their innocence.

Franken looked bad today.
the circus said @ 8:18pm GMT on 9th Dec [Score:1 Insightful]
Just realized something. The "nuh-uh" defense, kept up without hesitation, is effective. 5-10 years from now people are gonna remember that Franken resigned in disgrace because the left is "amoral", but there'll be no recollection of anything equivalent on the right because the right is so moral and nothing came of it anyways, so it must not have been anything. Franken's resignation better pay off in the short term, because it's going to hurt the country in the long term.
HoZay said @ 8:45pm GMT on 9th Dec
Yeah, it won't pay off in the short term either.
mechanical contrivance said @ 6:35pm GMT on 7th Dec
Ok, so when are all the other grabbers and rapists going to resign?
norok said @ 10:23pm GMT on 7th Dec
And that is the question you're supposed to be asking after this.
machpi said[1] @ 6:41pm GMT on 7th Dec
“Remember, when somebody mentions ‘zero tolerance,’ somebody is bullshitting you.” George Carlin
Jack Blue said @ 11:16pm GMT on 7th Dec
Moral panic? Resigning due to a fun filled sex party would be moral panic. Franken seems to have sexually assaulted people.
Abdul Alhazred said @ 10:19pm GMT on 8th Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
What really pisses me off here is that it was before he was a senator and is of the grab a butt variety of assault. Jesus, he didn't rape anyone or harm them through power/intimidation. I've had my balls grabbed, my ass slapped/pinched/grabbed. I fended them off and shrugged.

He didn't pull a Trump or a Weinstein. Get the fuck over it.
HoZay said @ 11:40pm GMT on 7th Dec
Those Dems calling for his head without an investigation are the ones experiencing moral panic.
HoZay said @ 9:22pm GMT on 9th Dec

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