Tuesday, 10 October 2017

The price tag for Pence's trip to Indianapolis

quote [ How much did Vice President Mike Pence's trip to Indianapolis to watch -- and then abruptly leave -- a football game Sunday between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers cost?

The grand total: about $242,500. ]

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
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[by satanspenis666@1:12amGMT]


bbqkink said[1] @ 1:25am GMT on 10th Oct [Score:2]
Was watching MSNBC this afternoon and heard that the presspool that was covering Pence was told "not to get off of the bus that this wouldn't take long" if anybody was doubting this was a publicity stunt.

And about the time Pence was staging his stunt in Indy. The Nazi were back in Charlottesville. White Nationalist Richard Spencer Leads Torch-Carrying Crowd in Charlottesville this is 3rd time since the killing.

Dienes said @ 10:13pm GMT on 10th Oct [Score:1 Informative]
If anyone is still doubting this was a calculated publicity stunt, its now the star of a new fundraising effort.

bbqkink said @ 11:48pm GMT on 10th Oct
They are still using 'The Media" as their foil. This is the most disgusting thing I have seen in American politics and it just gets worse every day.
bbqkink said @ 4:22pm GMT on 11th Oct
Dienes said @ 9:03pm GMT on 11th Oct [Score:1 Funsightful]
Haha, joke's on him! His own base is never going to support that. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press, 1st Amendment, baby! Those guys defend free speech even when its literal Nazis threatening violence. There's no way they'll support...

Wait, where did they all go?
Dienes said @ 1:35pm GMT on 10th Oct [Score:2]
He went to the trouble to attend a game that he knew would likely have at least one individual protesting, just so he could make a big show of being offended and leaving. Usually the right would say he was a 'snowflake' that was 'triggered' by free speech and left to find a 'safe space' but for some reason they aren't being derogatory about this. Funny, that.

The whole point of kneeling, instead of just sitting out, was to honor the soldiers and veterans of this country while still protesting the consequence-free murder of minorities by police. Of course, that requires actually looking into the personal statements of protesters and why they protest and not putting your own made-up narrative over it instead.

Also, buying a ticket and leaving the game is asinine. Remember when conservatives were 'boycotting' French products by dumping out wine, or liberals were protesting Russia by dumping out vodka? That shit don't work, because you have already given them your money. Buying shit to throw away in protest doesn't work half so well as....not buying the shit in the first place.

But that wouldn't let him have a public tantrum, now would it?
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:16pm GMT on 10th Oct
It seems like everything in the news these days is either done by idiots or for idiots.
cb361 said @ 2:41pm GMT on 10th Oct
The News. By Idiots. For Idiots.
Dienes said @ 12:16am GMT on 12th Oct
Oh man, wait until you see Ow! My Balls!
C18H27NO3 said[1] @ 5:00pm GMT on 10th Oct

The whole point of kneeling, instead of just sitting out, was to honor the soldiers and veterans of this country while still protesting the consequence-free murder of minorities by police.

The national anthem is not to honor soldiers and veterans. This is entirely wrong. The conservative right has done a fabulous job of redefining the meaning in response to #BLM, suggesting any disrespect for the flag or anthem is disrespecting soldiers and is a binary choice. The national anthem is honoring your country, and all that it stands for. Not just guys going to other countries and stealing their resources, killing innocents, or bailing out other oppressed nations or peoples. The point of the protest was to honor the country, but realizing it has problems, specifically in the african american community. Since the conservative right want's to deny racism exists, or redefine it as patriotic nationalism, anything that minimizes or demonizes minority movements is acceptable.

Dienes said @ 5:21pm GMT on 10th Oct [Score:1 Informative]
Last year he was sitting out the anthem, not kneeling.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

Later, Kaepernick switched from sitting to kneeling after backlash about how 'disrespectful' it was. To quote Eric Reid:
"I approached Colin the Saturday before our next game to discuss how I could get involved with the cause but also how we could make a more powerful and positive impact on the social justice movement. We spoke at length about many of the issues that face our community, including systemic oppression against people of color, police brutality and the criminal justice system. We also discussed how we could use our platform, provided to us by being professional athletes in the N.F.L., to speak for those who are voiceless.

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.

It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. It has always been my understanding that the brave men and women who fought and died for our country did so to ensure that we could live in a fair and free society, which includes the right to speak out in protest."

I know the anthem is about the country, not solely the soldiers of our country. You clearly know that. I'm sure Kaepernick knows that. I was just saying how he explicitly adjusted his protest to appease the folks saying his protest is somehow invalidated because he failed to 'HONOR ARE TROOPS!1!!" and they are still saying its somehow disrespecting soldiers. Because the issue for them, for people like Pence, isn't how 'respectful' the protest is or where the protest is. Its the fact that a black man has the gall to protest at all.
C18H27NO3 said @ 6:02pm GMT on 10th Oct
OK. Sorry if I seemed aggressive. I was just reacting to the meme that the anthem is only about the military and vets. Just doing my part!!! :)
bbqkink said @ 9:26pm GMT on 10th Oct
I don't know about anybody else but I am getting pretty tired of the fucking Nazis hiding behind my flag.
cakkafracle said @ 4:34am GMT on 10th Oct
what a dirty twat this starched white man is
backSLIDER said @ 4:43am GMT on 10th Oct
That is like 8 mellinials school debt. Think about that...
Dienes said @ 1:28pm GMT on 10th Oct
Eight? I was going to say 3-4.
backSLIDER said @ 1:31am GMT on 11th Oct
Well... I've been lucky to keep working and been able to pay mine down. I was doing my math with that number. I just now checked it and most people grtting out of college with around 37k average debt. Now I know that a ton of people have added a bunch of fees and interest but going it that number we get roughly 6.5 debts.
bbqkink said @ 5:15pm GMT on 10th Oct
This was also a big deal for Indy and the colts franchise. They were retiring Peyton Manning's Jersey...now all anybody is talking about is his stunt.
HoZay said @ 12:29am GMT on 12th Oct
Disrespecting Peyton Manning is likely to piss more people off than the the anthem thing.

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