It's Obama's fault for not taking our guns away like the NRA kept promising he would

How many of those deaths were caused one person forcing drugs into the bodies of innocent bystanders? I'm not at all surprised to see such an irrelevant comment from you.

I think they just posted in the wrong thread. This obviously has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do pharmaceutical companies making a huge profit selling a deadly product. Spreading disinformation to; promote the apparent need the customer never knew they had, elevate their products ability to fill that need, and downplay their products drawbacks. These bastards are wholly unconcerned with the carnage that ensues, and how it decimates communities.

Wrong thread, but thanks Fish for a reminder on how the federal government needs to step up regulation to cut down on bad actors with financial motives ruining shit for everyone else.

The whole, sad, running, um, not really joke:
http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.

But Freedom.

Mah gunnz! They's gonna take away mah gunnz! Goddam pinko liberals!

Shit.

Fuck 2017.

The June 14 2017 moratorium on talking about gun control now has been extended until further notice. Now is not the time.

When is it ever, honestly?

At least not until then, but likely longer.

The Pain - When Will it End?

Goddam. I was in Vegas two nights ago.

Now over 50 dead. 200 injured.

If only the crowd have had a gun...

Thoughts & Prayers

https://twitter.com/abbytheodros/status/914735456943607808 - just audio of the shooting, no shown violence. Horrifying.

Lot of people are talking about it being a fully automatic, which in Vegas is possible, but it sounds almost to slow.

RAW FOOTAGE: Las Vegas shooting

Sounds More like "bump fire" Shown here

They are pretty cheap and range from 1 to 2 hundred bucks. and they are legal

AR-15 Bump Fire Stocks Sort By at this website called :cheaper than dirt."

Lots of info but no explanation for Las Vegas gunman's massacre

The facts remain facts. Gun control acts on gun violence the way antibiotics act on infections—imperfectly but with massive efficacy. Yet, even with that knowledge, some of us, in our innocence, proposed a sort of truce about Second Amendment issues in the face of the ongoing national emergency—the Trump Presidency—in which it seemed essential to make common cause, even with those who have the strange American fixation on the right to own military-style firearms. They don’t have a reason for this fixation—no reason can be found. There’s no argument for it—such weapons are useless in sport, except for the sport of using them; they play no role in hunting, or not hunting anything except helpless people; and they protect no one from a tyrannical government, since the tyrannical government, if it would ever come to that, is hardly in need of small-arms fire to assert its will. Absent an argument for it, they merely have a fixation about it, but it remains practically religious in its intensity. Between the consolidated power of the pro-gun right, and the truth that gun control has slipped down the agenda of even anti-violence liberals, this means that the only American response to regular mass gun killings will be a shrug and faked sympathy. It is hard to know how to stay too far ahead of despair.

In the Wake of the Las Vegas Shooting, There Can Be No Truce with the Second Amendment

It's about fear and feeling powerless. Yes, it's irrational, but understandable. Like fear of flying, it's fundamentally about feeling helpless. Many people feel safer with a basement arsenal, even though it would be essentially useless in their nightmare scenarios, and significantly increases the statistical chances of injury or death to themselves and their loved ones. Silly humans.

Oh I understand it. I did a little time in the Army and love to fire a long range weapon and love it when shit goes boom. I'm old and live in a poorer neighborhood the house next to mine was burgled in the middle of the night two days ago.

I just have a hard time with the lies people use to justify their gun love. I have a hard time with an industry lobbying arm (NRA) spreading fear and lies for profit. I also have a hard time trying to figure out why gun stock values rose on the news of mass murder, by a guy who owned 20 guns.

" I also have a hard time trying to figure out why gun stock values rose on the news of mass murder, by a guy who owned 20 guns."

More fear=more gun sales.

"You saw what I was. I was a story people forgot to remember to tell. And they gave me a gun. They put power back in my hand, and I gotta tell ya, it feels good. Every bullet fired in a crowded movie theater is a prayer in my name. And that prayer makes 'em want to pray even harder." - Vulcan (American Gods TV Show)


AMERICAN GODS S01E06 Official Clip "Vulcan" (HD) Ricky Whittle Drama Series

There are no facts presented here

That is because they should be self evident by now.



More handguns in circulation equals more violent crime.

Owning a handgun increases a person's risk of being killed.

Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals prevents violent crime.

Taking guns away from criminals reduces violent crime.

And for your "seminal" reason . I can't believe you think that a few guys with with modified ar15s are any match for a modern army. The seminal reason the founders gave was to for A well regulated Militia, being necessary that was never intended to fight against the country but for it...we as a country recognized that to be true and formed "THE NATIONAL GUARD.

shall not be infringed

It infringed every day. Even in Texas they have gun laws.

The very least you could do in the light of what happened today is

Deny the basic fact that the more guns you have anyplace on earth the more dead and wounded...simple fact it's math.

There has more mass shooting that we have has days this year.

Mass Shootings

I don't pretend to have the answer but I know for certain the answer is not more guns!

Hey, knives kill people as well.

Only last week in Britain, some lunatic ran amok with a knife and murdered 59 people, and injured 500.

And swimming pools.

Only last week, 59 people drowned in a swimming pool. They just kept getting into it, in spite of the bodies floating around. There was nothing we could do about it.

Fencing over the second amendment is not productive. So remove it from the conversation. The loudest voices usually shake out as "we need guns to protect our freedom" and "Nobody needs that many guns" . That provides cover for fetishists and arms merchants. So take it away.

I say remove the profit motive. National Armory, Pistol Public Option, whatever you want to call it. Make it easy and affordable to buy weapons through your local police department. Make them the only legal weapon shop. As for what to stock, whichever are considered standard issue for the police and the army. Those are displayed and available for a test drive all the time. Tax everything else to hell and require a special permit per weapon that is renewed yearly.

If a guy wants 60 automatic weapons that are not part of the national arsenal let him do so and fund public education and training for weapons. People worried about their safety can in the process of getting a weapon become familiar with their local police. Learn proper safety, get access to the ranges to practice, become a known face. These are people in your community, so if citizen and officer encounter one another at the least theres a better chance of avoiding another philando castile.

We recognize that not everyone should have a gun, the criminally insane and coked out monkeys off the top of my head. How we regulate these things are important, i think its a good idea making sure its a valid discussion without people with perverse incentives muddying the water.

Notice, however, that most of the top homicide countries are not in the, "developed world." Using your sources, I pulled out what most would consider the stable, developed world nations and listed them in order of guns per capita, followed by the homicide rate.

Very roughly, it looks to me that the US has about four times the guns and roughly four times the homicide rate, with some standouts Norway, Switzerland and Austria, as you might expect.

(Edit: sorry, the formatting looked fine until I hit the "post" button.

country g.p.c homicide/100k
US 112.6 4.8
Finland 34.2 1.6
Sweden 31.6 1.15
Norway 31.3 0.56
France 31.2 1.58
Canada 30.8 1.68
Austria 30,4 0.51
Iceland 30.3 0.91
Germany 30.3 0.85
Switzerland 24.4 0.69
New Zealand 22.6 0.91
Greece 22.5 0.85
Belgium 17.2 1.95
Czech Rep 16.3 0.75
Luxembourg 15.3 0.72
Denmark 12 0.99
Italy 11.9 0.78
Malta 11.9 0.96
Spain 10.4 0.66
Portugal 8.5 0.97
Slovakia 8.3 0.88
UK 6.6 0.92
Morocco 5 1.05
Taiwan 4.6 0.82
Ireland 4.3 0.64
Netherlands 3.9 0.61
Singapore 0.5 0.25

I admit I am not a statistician, however, when I plug those numbers into
http://www.alcula.com/calculators/statistics/correlation-coefficient/
I get a correlation of 0.85717912693723

"The correlation coefficient, or Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient (PMCC) is a numerical value between -1 and 1 that expresses the strength of the linear relationship between two variables.When r is closer to 1 it indicates a strong positive relationship. A value of 0 indicates that there is no relationship. Values close to -1 signal a strong negative relationship between the two variables. You may use the linear regression calculator to visualize this relationship on a graph."

Good point. When I took out the five most outlying data points, it only produces a correlation of 0.69534974834939. Still quite strong, though.

Edit: Ah, I see you edited out the line about, "the PMCC is not outlier resistant" since I began writing my reply. Did you run the numbers yourself?

I didn't run the numbers myself.

I edited out the line because I thought perhaps the discussion had run its course. When I find myself using terms like "outlier resistance", I know I've run out of runway.

Interesting that you did retry the numbers, and likewise interesting that it seems to support your contention.

Bump fire is a fun gimmick and nothing more. You lose all the practical accuracy when you bump fire.

When firing indiscriminately into a crowd of 22,000 people, you don't need accuracy.

He was shooting from his hotel room, which's still quite a bit distance away. While bump firing, your sight and/or scope basically becomes unusable. Due to the fact instead of compensating the recoil with your left arm like you normally would. Your left arm is actually actively working the other direction of the recoil to allow the trigger to bump against your index finger. Your shot grouping will be wider than even the pellet spread pattern of a sawed-off 12 gauge shotgun blast.