Wednesday, 10 January 2018

Deneuve: Men have right to 'hit on' women

quote [ She is one of 100 French women who warn of a new "puritanism" after recent sexual harassment rows. "As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power, takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality. ]

It must be very comforting for the huge number of women suffering in abusive positions to know that they are in fact fighting against a the "new puritanism"
[SFW] [crime & punishment] [+4 WTF]
[by cb361]
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kylemcbitch said @ 10:58am GMT on 10th January
mmmm, you're not wrong cb, it's a slap in the face to those suffering sexism, sexual exploitation, and general misogyny.

Expressing sexual desire to for someone is perhaps an awkward thing, but thing that should be allowed to happen. Of course, context is super important to that statement. It does seem there might be some danger of moving towards making such a thing deplorable on the face it.

In the end though, I have to agree with you. The argument these French ladies are giving are is it's own context, complete shit.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or clumsily, is not - and nor is men being gentlemanly a chauvinist attack."

No one should have the right to sexually pester someone else. I can't help but read that as nothing short of Peppie LePew apologetics. I especially take umbrage with the idea that women speaking out against such a thing are somehow perpetuating that women are powerless and helpless. They are literally helping themselves, by using what is in their power.

It's a shame that the point they seem to want to make is poorly made, because I do think there is something to be said about a "new puritanism."

If I had to put words to it, I'd say lets hang these people (sexual harassers) out dry, and establish a clear expectation of acceptable behaviour between those with power and those without. But I think there needs to be some context you can express such a thing (when said power imbalance exist,) without it immediately being problematic.

Otherwise, we really are suppressing the potential sexuality of both men and women. It's a head scratcher for me, and I don't have a good answer for it, but I can at least say it's a point of consideration.


kylemcbitch said @ 3:13pm GMT on 10th January
mmmm, you're not wrong cb, it's a slap in the face to those suffering sexism, sexual exploitation, and general misogyny.

Expressing sexual desire to for someone is perhaps an awkward thing, but thing that should be allowed to happen. Of course, context is super important to that statement. It does seem there might be some danger of moving towards making such a thing deplorable on the face it.

In the end though, I have to agree with you. The argument these French ladies are giving is in it's own context, complete shit.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or clumsily, is not - and nor is men being gentlemanly a chauvinist attack."

No one should have the right to sexually pester someone else. I can't help but read that as nothing short of Peppie LePew apologetics. I especially take umbrage with the idea that women speaking out against such a thing are somehow perpetuating that women are powerless and helpless. They are literally helping themselves, by using what is in their power.

It's a shame that the point they seem to want to make is poorly made, because I do think there is something to be said about a "new puritanism."

If I had to put words to it, I'd say lets hang these people (sexual harassers) out dry, and establish a clear expectation of acceptable behaviour between those with power and those without. But I think there needs to be some context you can express such a thing (when said power imbalance exist,) without it immediately being problematic.

Otherwise, we really are suppressing the potential sexuality of both men and women. It's a head scratcher for me, and I don't have a good answer for it, but I can at least say it's a point of consideration.



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kylemcbitch said @ 10:58am GMT on 10th January [Score:1 Interesting]
mmmm, you're not wrong cb, it's a slap in the face to those suffering sexism, sexual exploitation, and general misogyny.

Expressing sexual desire to for someone is perhaps an awkward thing, but thing that should be allowed to happen. Of course, context is super important to that statement. It does seem there might be some danger of moving towards making such a thing deplorable on the face it.

In the end though, I have to agree with you. The argument these French ladies are giving is in it's own context, complete shit.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or clumsily, is not - and nor is men being gentlemanly a chauvinist attack."

No one should have the right to sexually pester someone else. I can't help but read that as nothing short of Peppie LePew apologetics. I especially take umbrage with the idea that women speaking out against such a thing are somehow perpetuating that women are powerless and helpless. They are literally helping themselves, by using what is in their power.

It's a shame that the point they seem to want to make is poorly made, because I do think there is something to be said about a "new puritanism."

If I had to put words to it, I'd say lets hang these people (sexual harassers) out dry, and establish a clear expectation of acceptable behaviour between those with power and those without. But I think there needs to be some context you can express such a thing (when said power imbalance exist,) without it immediately being problematic.

Otherwise, we really are suppressing the potential sexuality of both men and women. It's a head scratcher for me, and I don't have a good answer for it, but I can at least say it's a point of consideration.




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