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Wednesday, 3 January 2018
quote [ A fundamental design flaw in Intel's processor chips has forced a significant redesign of the Linux and Windows kernels to defang the chip-level security bug. Other OSes will need an update, performance hits loom. ]
This could turn into a Volkswagen-level fuckup:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/19/intels-ceo-just-sold-a-lot-of-stock.aspx
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steele said @ 1:31am GMT on 5th January
Computers aren't cars, though cars are quickly becoming computers, which is all the more reason to be concerned. Nobody noticing the flaw in a closed architecture isn't something that should be surprising. This is an argument that goes back to the birth of the open source movement. Back when the nerds thought the open nature of the internet was going to open up the world to gay space communism and lead us to a post scarcity star trek-esque utopia. Instead, I think it's safe to say, the pendulum has swung entirely the other way.
They key issue is here:
but BMW hasn't been intentionally negligent.
You can't prove that. You have no knowledge of their quality control process, their design process, their manufacturing process, or the profit based factors that went into those processes.
IP based companies are already claiming a level of corporate personhood that far outstrips anything they deserve under the fantastic premise that we only license the right to use IP, not own it. IP which you're saying we're owed no guarantee of quality, despite having no assurances of the quality of the process with which it's created. And to top it all of, car manufacturers have been trying to gain those same benefits! And really, it's just a matter of time before they get them at this rate.
I'm not saying your wrong and they're not going to be held liable, I'm just saying the system is fucked and it's largely to due to the trust and control we give to for profit organizations who are so ubiquitous and irresponsible with the power they wield that they basically own our asses and the dystopian future they're forcing us into.
steele said @ 1:36am GMT on 5th January
Computers aren't cars, though cars are quickly becoming computers, which is all the more reason to be concerned. Nobody noticing the flaw in a closed architecture isn't something that should be surprising. This is an argument that goes back to the birth of the open source movement. Back when the nerds thought the open nature of the internet was going to open up the world to gay space communism and lead us to a post scarcity star trek-esque utopia. Instead, I think it's safe to say, the pendulum has swung entirely the other way.
They key issue is here:
but BMW hasn't been intentionally negligent.
You can't prove that. You have no knowledge of their quality control process, their design process, their manufacturing process, or the profit based factors that went into those processes.
IP based companies are already claiming a level of corporate personhood that far outstrips anything they deserve under the fantastic premise that we only license the right to use IP, not own it. IP which you're saying we're owed no guarantee of quality, despite having no assurances of the quality of the process with which it's created. And to top it all of, car manufacturers have been trying to gain those same benefits! And really, it's just a matter of time before they get them at this rate.
I'm not saying you're wrong and they're not going to be held liable, I'm just saying the system is fucked and it's largely to due to the trust and control we give to for profit organizations who are so ubiquitous and irresponsible with the power they wield that they basically own our asses and the dystopian future they're forcing us into.
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steele said @ 1:31am GMT on 5th January
Computers aren't cars, though cars are quickly becoming computers, which is all the more reason to be concerned. Nobody noticing the flaw in a closed architecture isn't something that should be surprising. This is an argument that goes back to the birth of the open source movement. Back when the nerds thought the open nature of the internet was going to open up the world to gay space communism and lead us to a post scarcity star trek-esque utopia. Instead, I think it's safe to say, the pendulum has swung entirely the other way.
They key issue is here:
but BMW hasn't been intentionally negligent.
You can't prove that. You have no knowledge of their quality control process, their design process, their manufacturing process, or the profit based factors that went into those processes.
IP based companies are already claiming a level of corporate personhood that far outstrips anything they deserve under the fantastic premise that we only license the right to use IP, not own it. IP which you're saying we're owed no guarantee of quality, despite having no assurances of the quality of the process with which it's created. And to top it all of, car manufacturers have been trying to gain those same benefits! And really, it's just a matter of time before they get them at this rate.
I'm not saying you're wrong and they're not going to be held liable, I'm just saying the system is fucked and it's largely to due to the trust and control we give to for profit organizations who are so ubiquitous and irresponsible with the power they wield that they basically own our asses and the dystopian future they're forcing us into.
Affects pretty much all Intel CPUs going back a decade (Coffee Lake appears to be the only exception). MacOS will need a patch too, it's a hardware problem so I'm not sure why they called out Windows and Linux. This looks to be worse than the Pentium floating-point bug - there's no hardware fix, and the software fix will impose a 5-30% performance hit. And I just bought a new computer with a 10-core Xeon CPU. Think I'm going to keep it off the internet and avoid the patch, I need maximum horsepower.